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False moshiach
who was the person again that said they were moshiach and really weren't? i forget... shabtsai tzvi or something? what happened to him at the end? I heard there were more people that claimed they were moshiach and weren't. who were they?
How did they get people to think they were moshiach? How would people believe them? How long ago was that?
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shabsai tzvi is one in teh end he was taken by arabs and given teh choice to convert or die..he chose conversion....not so true to his faith after all!!! i also heard that he was a paranoid schizophrenic.... anotehr oen was jacob frank..dont know much about him.. people were in hard times pogroms orwtvr so they needed soem hope!!!
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Bar Kochvo?
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I just read in a sicha today quoting a midrash that Bar Kochba used to daven to HaShem before war "HaShem don't help us and don't hurt us". This was meant to be indicitive of his over reliance on 'kochi veotzem yadi..."
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There have been numerous false messiahs throughout Jewish history, especially when things were bad for the Jews and they needed something tangible to believe in.
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all false religions capitalize on the poor welfare of potential followers - look what's happening with wahabism (the violent radical form of islam).
in industrious countries like turkey morocco and jordan there aren't as many extremists as there are in other countries such as saudi arabia and iran and syria. it would be interesting for you to know how bar kochba's (AKA ben kuziba) life came to an end ![]() |
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Here's a list of 69 Jewish messiahs
BCE: 4 Judas, son of Hezekiah 4 Simon of Peraea 4 Athronges, the shepherd CE: 6 Judas, the Galilean 28 John the Baptist 30 Jebus of Nazareth 36 The Samaritan prophet 44 King Herod Agrippa 45 Theudas 52-58 The Egyptian prophet 59 An anonymous prophet 66 Menahem, the son of Judas the Galilean 67-70 John of Gischala 67 Vespasian 69-70 Simon bar Giora 73 Jonathan, the weaver 115 Lukuas 135 Shimon bar Kochba 440 Moses of Crete 643 The Syrian Messiah 720 Serenus 750 Abu Isa 800 Yudghan of Hamadan 9th cent. Mushka 1060 The Lyons Messiah 1100 Ibn Ayre 1120 Moshe al-Dar'l 1147 David Alroy 1192 The Yemenite Messiah 1291 Abraham Abulafia 1295 Nissim ben Abraham, Prophet of Avila 1361 Samuel Abulafia 1393 Moses Motarel 1495 Messiah of Beyhen 1500 Asher Lemlein 1523 David Reuveni 1525 Shlomo Molkho 1540 Ludovico Diaz, Messiah of Setubal 1575 Joseph Karo 1666 Syleiman Jamal 1676 Shabbatai Zevi 1690 Jacob Filosoft Querido 1706 Abraham Miguel Cardozo 1706 Mordechai ben CHayyim of Eisenstadt 1710 Yehuda Leib Prossnitz 1711 Yehoshuah Heshel Tzoref 1716 Chayim ben Shlomo 1720 Nechamiah Chaya Chayyun 1720 Baruchya Russo 1740 Berechiya Filosoff 1750 Jacob Frank 1790 Eva Frank (the wife of Jacob becomes the first lady Messiah) 1805 Reb Israel of Ruzhin 1820 Itzak Eizik of Komarno 1850 Shukr ben Salim Huhayl 1895 Yusuf Abdullah 1899-1985 Moses Guibbory And here are some who were given that title posthumously by some of their followers, but may not have ever made such a claim: 1527 The AriZal, Issac Luria 1542 Rabbi Chayim Vital 1747 The Ramchal 1760 The Baal Shem Tov 1800 Rebbe Nachman of Bratzlov 1990 Rebbe Menachem Mendel Schneerson
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The above list very misleading, to say the least, as it mixes in names of individuals who Judaism categorically classify as False Messiahs (and worse), together with prominent, towering sages, whose holiness and sagacity inspired their disciples to think them as being worthy of being Mashiach.
Evil-doers in the first category led their followers astray, often with terrible consequences for the Jewish people, while the Tzaddikim in the second category (at the opposite side of the spectrum), fortified and nurtured the faith of the Jewish people, and bolstered their spiritual (and often physical) welfare. |
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Eventhough you put the last few in a seperate category, which is great. The Lubavitcher Rebbe is his own category [...]
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you missed one out
"1805 Israel of Ruzhin" who was a great tzaddik. spaceFalcon has said he isn't a lubavitcher chossid [...] |
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he didint pass away till '94. QUOTE] could everyone not write that? at least write the year or "the year we stopped seeing the Rebbe" It really drives many people crazy to see that because people have different beliefs.
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chasidus - a beautiful hergesh (?!) but wrong. In English we say "passed away". You need proof? Look at any kehos publication when they refer to the passing away of the FR. You need a specific reference? Take the English edition of Memoirs of the FR, and look at the English forward, where right after the the Rebbe's intro (from 5709) there is a short paragtaph from 5716.
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tell me though Torah, which do you say in normal day to day conversation?
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"Passed away" is the proper English translation of the word "nistalek", since most of this blog is in English I posted "pass away", sorry if I offended anyone.
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