Why doesn't Lubavitch sleep in the Sukkah?

[hishtatchus]

Nu, Maskil, did the Rov say that this was a general Psak, or specifically for this person? Was it meant to set a precedent that could be applied in general, or were there details that we don't know about?

[Torah613]

There are many nice Lubavitcher shuls, run by fine Chassidishe yidden, where they wash for Suedah shlishis.
Why one would need a specific psak to wash - is beyond me.

[Maskil]

This was obviously not a "general" psak.

I didn't ask the rov, so I don't know. But the lubavitch shul he davens at has a shalosh seudos with rolls. The shpitz don't wash. The way I understood the psak (which is not definite since I didn't ask) is that if you have to ask, then it means that there is some oneg, and if there is oneg there is an inyan to hold like the shita that oneg is fulfilled by eating bread davka.

[Torah613]

I still don't understand - if one wants to wash, why ask a "shaalo" and what would be the shaalo?

[shoyn]

Maase rav, the Rebbe washed 12 sivan tof shin nun alef.

[Maskil]

T613, M'stama the chossid thought that es hot gefelt in zein chasidishkeit tzu vashen, so he wanted to know if altz chossid stam he shouldn't wash.

Shoyn, if it happened in Nun-Alef, then that's part of the new tekufa and the whole sicha about not washing should l'choira go into sheimos, no?

[Torah613]

But did he wash for the second seuda?
The Rebbe washed many times publicly after Mincha.
Every Shabbos when there was a Farbrengen he used to go home after Mincha - bepashtus to eat seudas Shabbos.

[noahidelaws]

When does it actually end? If somebody learns Chassidus etc, but is honest with himself that he doesn't feel any tza'ar at all over this, should he sleep in a Sukkah?

the Rebbe seems to say that he should, here:

Re Sleeping in the Succah

In order to safeguard and inspire a greater feeling toward the Succah, sleeping in it is not practiced by us. The basis for this is two-fold: First, we have a rule that Hamitztaer putter min HaSuccah (suffering exempts one from dwelling in the Succah). Secondly, during sleep a person is not in control of himself, and, furthermore, the very act of undressing and dressing, etc. inevitably creates a common-place attitude towards the place which serves as a bedroom. Such a depreciation of attitude toward the Succah (by sleeping in it, as explained above), from what his attitude should properly be towards the Mitzvoth of G-d whereby He has sanctified all Jews, would be deeply felt by the Chabad Chassid by virtue of his Chassidic teachings and upbringing, and would cause him profound spiritual suffering. The combination of these two considerations, therefore, led to the custom not to sleep in the Succah.
However, if a Jew feels absolutely certain that his sleeping in the Succah will not in the slightest affect his attitude toward the sanctity of the Succah, and is consequently free from any mental pain that might be caused thereby, he is duty-bound to sleep in it, in accordance with the fullest meaning of Taishvu K'ain taduru, to make his Succah his dwelling place to the utmost.
http://www.lchaimweekly.org/lchaim/5762/688.htm

[ykh]

Where was the disclaimer printed (I am talking regarding Tzemach's post about Sikho in vol.29), that the Rebbe is not instituting not to sleep, but merely explaining minhag of those who don't sleep?

[Gevurah]

Someone forwarded me a sheet from Rabbi M Seligson Shlita where he cited a source for the Rebbe Rashab staying in the Sukkah ALL NITE AWAKE the first day.

[Torah613]

Originally Posted by ykh

Where was the disclaimer printed (I am talking regarding Tzemach's post about Sikho in vol.29), that the Rebbe is not instituting not to sleep, but merely explaining minhag of those who don't sleep?

I think that is clear from the sicha in ois 4 and 8 and footnote # 33.

[Torah613]

Originally Posted by Gevurah

Someone forwarded me a sheet from Rabbi M Seligson Shlita where he cited a source for the Rebbe Rashab staying in the Sukkah ALL NITE AWAKE the first day.

I have heard the same (from a decent source the year it was witnessed) concerning the Rebbe.
The shmuah also always was, that the Rebbe would never go to sleep outside the Sukah (since al pi din it is a problem).

[rebbi1]

Originally Posted by Torah613

I have heard the same (from a decent source the year it was witnessed) concerning the Rebbe.
The shmuah also always was, that the Rebbe would never go to sleep outside the Sukah (since al pi din it is a problem).

You mean that he did not sleep the entire Succos?! Doesn't the gemara say that that is impossible?

[Torah613]

The answer is implied in what I wrote.

[rebbi1]

The clarification escapes me. Did the Rebbe really not sleep for 7 straight days?

[chasidus]

He implied that he did not go to sleep although he fell asleep.

[chossidnistar]

I heard that , one year , some bochrim made a team to watch the Rebbe during the entire Sukkos, they sayd that the Rebbe was the all time in the Suka learning,(of course except davening time) and at one moment , the Rebbe put his head down on the table for few moments , and then continued learning.I heard it for someone who was in this team

[chasidus]

Was the Rebbe in the Sukka the whole time besides davening times?

[ykh]

Originally Posted by Torah613

I think that is clear from the sicha in ois 4 and 8 and footnote # 33.

I am looking through www.otzar770.com, can't find the sikho in the vol.29
Please, can you post the page number?
Also, trying to locate the letter in the Igros there, the one referenced in lchaim quoted above here, I don't see anything like that in the letters for 7 Cheshvan 5715

[Torah613]

http://www.otzar770.com/library/disp...=B&nBookId=105

[Torah613]

Originally Posted by chasidus

Was the Rebbe in the Sukka the whole time besides davening times?

No (though I cannot say for the last years when he had a sukkah near his room).

[chasidus]

How would anyone be able to keep a 24 hour vigil on the Rebbe?

[ykh]

Originally Posted by Torah613

http://www.otzar770.com/library/disp...=B&nBookId=105

My Yidish is basically non-existent, but with the little I am able to decipher in the sikho, I don't find the references gicen by Tzemach, where the Rebbe says straight forward - whoever is not mitztaer should sleep gezunterheit.

[Torah613]

Well, that quote is not there, I believe Tzemach referenced that quote to the bilti mugah version, so look inside. My point was that it can also be understood from the sicha (uposhut, since a din is a din!).

[Torah613]

Originally Posted by chasidus

How would anyone be able to keep a 24 hour vigil on the Rebbe?

In the last years when the Rebbe stayed in 770 the whole time, it could have been possible to know to the people who "dreit zich" there, when the Rebbe was in the sukah (near his room) and when not.