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Unread 10-23-2003, 09:34 AM   #1
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Order of Tefillah in Chassidus

Where in chassidus does it address the order of the Shomeh Esrei as discussed in Megillah 17b?
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Unread 10-26-2003, 09:45 PM   #2
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Is there any place that identifies the sequence of the 18 "benedictions" (since the gemara shows how (monstly) each one follows on the heels of the previous one) represent the stages of an individual's spiritual progress?
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Unread 10-26-2003, 10:48 PM   #3
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Sorry, YN. It's not that I don't care about the questions you asked. I just don't know where those topics are discussed in Chassidus.

(People incorrectly attribute lack of responses in a thread to a lack of interest. I want to state that such is not the case here.)
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Maybe check "Ohr Hatfilla" - if it got that far (I don't have it).
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Unread 10-26-2003, 11:35 PM   #5
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I don't believe it did. I think it goes up to Ashrei now.
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Unread 10-27-2003, 10:43 AM   #6
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Okay, so maybe there's a good reference to the matter of the first three brochas, which are not made clear in the gemara. I was told that magen avraham to haKel hakadosh goes from asiyah to briyah.

Where can I learn more about this?
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Unread 10-27-2003, 10:47 AM   #7
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TOLD by whom?

The Amidah is Atzilus.

The various nikudot under the Shem Havayes in the Amidah as seen in Siddur im Dach are explained in IMre Binah
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TOLD by whom?
Achiya Hashiloni



(Actually, Rabbi Yossi Greisman)
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The sections of shacharis correspond to ABiY"A, with the amidah being Atzilus. But within the Amida I asked about the first three brochas (vis a vis Megillah 17b) and thus was I told. And thus do I seek further elucidation on the matter.
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Unread 10-27-2003, 12:13 PM   #10
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The Amidah is Atzilus.
I emphatically DON'T know if this applies here - but there is Abiya Haklolis and Abiya Haprotis.
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Unread 10-27-2003, 12:24 PM   #11
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If you are going to ASK MOSES
http://www.askmoses.com/scholars.html?x=18696
tell him to put up or...

besides that is Kabbalah not Chassidus.....

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emphatically DON'T know
i SEE bITTUL HAS MADE IT TO rd"la

if you want to know in Kabblah see Margaliot Share Zohar
where he crossreferences Gemara to Zohar etc. for Megillah 17b

Chabad Chassidus typically relates the middle 12 to the Shevatim...

as for the first three...there is a mamar in the Alte Rebbe Mamarim set where he quotes pri Etz CHaim but not in the manner you discuss.
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The sections of shacharis correspond to ABiY"A, with the amidah being Atzilus. But within the Amida I asked about the first three brochas (vis a vis Megillah 17b) and thus was I told. And thus do I seek further elucidation on the matter.
In the Kol Yakov Siddur (a talmid from baal Shem) it says the first three brochos a ChBaD d'ZA
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Unread 10-27-2003, 02:06 PM   #13
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Kol Yakov Siddur (a talmid from baal Shem)
Most certainly NOT a talmid.
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Unread 10-27-2003, 02:18 PM   #14
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Most certainly NOT a talmid.
According to the hakdamah it says that the Baal Shem Tov was shown it and approved of it.
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So giving a sefer an approbation, makes its author a disciple of the one who gave the approbation?
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Unread 10-27-2003, 03:02 PM   #16
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So giving a sefer an approbation, makes its author a disciple of the one who gave the approbation?
I may have been mistaken. I will check a few sources on it. In any case the Baal Shem Tov's approval of it, makes it an 'approved source' in chassidus and chassidic circles.

BTW the Baal Shen Tov dovened in R. Asher's sidder, which has the same kavanos on the brochas. I seem to recall R. Shabsi Rashkover is also the same, but I willneed to look them up later tonight/
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