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Unread 06-13-2011, 01:54 PM   #1
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mivtza Mashiach?

Are there sources for the fact that the Rebbe explicitly began a campaign for Mashiach as he did for say, tefilin?
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Unread 06-13-2011, 03:08 PM   #2
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Is your question about terminology or implementation?
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Unread 06-13-2011, 03:21 PM   #3
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About terminology and definition. Is mivtza mashiach one of the ten mivtzoim or an eleventh, all inclusive one?
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Unread 06-13-2011, 04:32 PM   #4
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AFAIK, the Rebbe did not use that word; however, he did, it appears to me and others, indicate that efforts on this scale were what he was calling for, so many chassidim have used the expression "Mivtza Moshiach" loosely in order to refer to what the Rebbe called for.
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Unread 06-16-2011, 05:54 AM   #5
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All the sichos of nun alef and nun beis indicate that there is indeed a Mivtza Moshiach, eventhough the Rebbe didn't use the term.

One example (among many) is:

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"It is clearly explained in the famous epistle from the Rebbe Rashab, that Moshiach is called by many titles: 'Dovid,' 'Son of Dovid,' 'House of Dovid' - as in the Rambam, 'If a king will arise from the House of Dovid, versed in Torah... and he will compel all of Israel, etc." - and similarly, at times he is called 'King' - 'King Moshiach.' The advantage of being called 'King Moshiach,' since 'there is no King without people,' is that people willingly accept his sovereignty over them.

"We have the potential for this especially in this year, when we are in the sixth millennium, and in this itself, in the 'afternoon' - i.e., after 500 years - and especially as it is already toward 'day's end,' and in this itself, we are in the year 574 5 (TSMH) - such that we already have the identifier Heh (T - Tehei, S - Shnas, M - Melech, H - HaMoshiach), the year of ' The King The Moshiach.'

"Here it is necessary to note: No one should join the so-called 'Spitz Chabad' who will start learning hints and inferences from this in a manner that is clearly opposite the will of the Rebbe and Nosi, which can hinder Jews from learning Chassidus - and students have already been repelled from learning Chassidus from such behavior...!
As for the question wheither it is part of the other activities or an independant one, it is reported the following:

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In Iyar, 5752, a Shliach in California, Rabbi Dovid Aliezri, sent the Rebbe a letter with three questions: 1) Should activities pertaining to Moshiach be separate, but on a par with, the Chabad House's other activities? Or are they meant to be the main stress of all the activities? 2) Is necessary to indicate who is Moshiach? 3) Should it be publicized that our period is the period of Moshiach's coming? The letter was read by the Rebbe's secretary, Rabbi Groner, and the Rebbe responded by shaking his head:

To the first part of the first question (Should activities pertaining to Moshiach be separate, but on a par with, the Chabad House's other activities?) the Rebbe shook his head to indicate "No."

To the second part of the first question (Or are they meant to be the main stress of all the activities?) he shook his head twice to indicate "Yes! "

To the second question (Is necessary to indicate who is Moshiach?) the Rebbe shook his head vigorously to indicate "No!"

To the third question (Should it be publicized that our period is the period of Moshiach's coming?) he shook his head "Yes."
(Both extracts are from chassidusunlimited.)

It is clear that there is indeed a Mivtza Moshiach, but we must be careful in how we accomplish it, as the Rebbe warned on many occasions.
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Unread 06-16-2011, 04:53 PM   #6
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Explain to me what exactly the first quote teaches you.
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Unread 06-16-2011, 05:33 PM   #7
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Explain to me what exactly the first quote teaches you.
That because we have the potencial, we should do every thing in our power and capability to bring Moshiach NOW. We already have a people (us), and it only lacks a king (the Moshiach). Both are interdependants, and we should bring the unifiation, as far as it is done in an acceptable way, and not following the example of the spitz chabad who, instead of implementing the Rebbe's words as they have been ushered, are rather looking after hints to support their agenda.
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I agree with Torah613 that that quote doesn't relate to the Rebbe's message about Moshiach in particular.

On the campaign to learn and teach inyonei geulah uMoshiach, see here.
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That because we have the potencial, we should do every thing in our power and capability to bring Moshiach NOW. We already have a people (us), and it only lacks a king (the Moshiach). Both are interdependants, and we should bring the unifiation, as far as it is done in an acceptable way, and not following the example of the spitz chabad who, instead of implementing the Rebbe's words as they have been ushered, are rather looking after hints to support their agenda.
Whatever. If you understand, good for you.
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