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Unread 12-07-2004, 09:18 PM   #1
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URGENT!! Religious Freedom Under Attack in USA!

URGENT!! Jewish Religious Freedom Under Attack!! We Must Respond!



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Hi,
In the past few days an attack has been launched on our religious
freedom. An organization called People for the Ethical Treatment of
Animals (PETA), a group of extremists, has begun a very active
campaign against Shechita, Jewish (Kosher) slaughter. They are an
infamous political group with a radical political agenda and they are
attempting to further that agenda at the expense of our religious
freedom - by becoming a relevant voice in decisions directly related
to the Shechita process.

They begin by suggesting alterations to the process, demanding
compromise on religious standards, demands which escalate as they are
met. This has already happened in the United Kingdom and other
European countries where similar organizations have caused Kosher meat
packers to compromise on the standards of Kashrus they maintain. In
extreme cases Kosher slaughter has been outlawed. This is the goal of
PETA - to get a foot in the door and eventually to outlaw Kosher
slaughter, or at least make it so difficult to maintain a viable
standard of Kashrus that many will not use the meat.

THIS IS NOT A BUSINESS ISSUE!! The changes proposed by PETA will
actually speed up production. This is purely a religious issue. The
stated goal of these people is to influence all people to give up the
use of animals for their meat or byproducts. This is a direct quote
from their mission statement, taken from their website: "PETA
operates under the simple principle that animals are not ours to eat,
wear, experiment on, or use for entertainment."

Those fighting for our religious freedom need our help and support.
They need to make the point that this is a despicable, intolerable
attack on our religion and the freedom to practice it promised by the
constitution. It is vital that you take the time to write to Sholom M
Rubashkin, at smr*iowabestbeef.com to show support and to state that
you believe that this is an attack on religious freedom - it is
crucial to show that there is wide spread outrage and support of those
fighting for us. Help them help you. Please forward this to everyone
you know. Our voices must be heard.

SZR
Postville, Iowa
19 Kislev 5764 / 1 December 2004

PS In order to show the scope of the support, please sign your letter
and include your location.
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Unread 12-07-2004, 10:31 PM   #2
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Re: URGENT!! Jewish Religious Freedom Under Attack!! We Must Respond!

No.

PETA is treif.

The OU and other hashgochos supervise the shechita there. And they feel that certain changes would be helpful.

The plant gets no sympathy from me until the hashgachos claim that PETA is totally off the wall in its specific accusations.

Find another battle.
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Unread 12-07-2004, 11:15 PM   #3
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Re: URGENT!! Jewish Religious Freedom Under Attack!! We Must Respond!

What are those "specific accusations", that you apparantly feel have basis?
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Unread 12-07-2004, 11:56 PM   #4
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Maskil, there's always two sides to a story, but you should always give your brothers the benefit of the doubt before anyone else.
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Unread 12-08-2004, 12:11 AM   #5
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What are those "specific accusations", that you apparantly feel have basis?

Why, are you quite comfortable with what you saw in the video?
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Unread 12-08-2004, 12:14 AM   #6
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I didn't see it - I heard about it. Tell me what "disturbed" you, based on your halachik knowledge.
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Unread 12-08-2004, 12:15 AM   #7
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Have a look at it. Make sure you do it before you eat!
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Unread 12-08-2004, 12:24 AM   #8
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Again - did you see a halachikly questionable practice in hte video, and if yes, what was it?
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Unread 12-08-2004, 12:27 AM   #9
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Just because something may be mutter al pi halocha, MUST it be done?
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Unread 12-08-2004, 12:38 AM   #10
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Like what, specifically?
There is a reason why most of us (I think) aren't butchers ... but that doesn't mean there is a problem.
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Unread 12-08-2004, 12:54 AM   #11
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People who are familair with shechita plants world wide claim never to have seen anything like it!
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Unread 12-08-2004, 01:26 AM   #12
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Again - did you see a halachikly questionable practice in hte video, and if yes, what was it?
Can't you do something Halachikly and still do it inhumanely?
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Unread 12-08-2004, 01:54 AM   #13
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Re: URGENT!! Jewish Religious Freedom Under Attack!! We Must Respond!

While the video might be disturbing you must look at the facts. Just because you saw a a cow running around or hitting its head dosen't mean that the cow feels anything or is even still alive.If you ever watched by kaparos you can see how a chicken can run around and yell maybe even ten minutes from when its head is cut off but you know its dead.
In Tishrei there were people in CH also demonstrating against kapparos.
Its been proven time and again how shechitah is the most humane way to kill an animal (like davka a smooth knife vchu') and Rubashkin dosen't do anything worse then any other shechitah plant.

Their ultimate taana is that you shouldn't eat meat at all rather become a VEGETARIAN.Anyone who learnt a little chasidus ...dirah bitachtonim... knows that the tachlis is for an animal to get eaten in a kosher way (shechita,make a brachah on the food,to use likovod shabbos vchu' vchu')

They have no problem killing people but an animal is chok vlo yaavor (like the Rebbe spoke about ****** ym"s how he held from animals (his pets) higher then people).

These "liberals" took everything that America stood for ie."freedom of religon"
and turned it all backwards like a scorpion who stings himself.Yimach Shamam vzichram.
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Unread 12-08-2004, 10:11 AM   #14
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People who are familair with shechita plants world wide claim never to have seen anything like it!
Specifics, please.
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Unread 12-08-2004, 10:24 AM   #15
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Re: URGENT!! Jewish Religious Freedom Under Attack!! We Must Respond!

Very fuzzy indeed...Any clarification:

I found this:

Posted by Steven I. Weiss at 09:46 AM | Comments (0)

December 01, 2004
Chief Rabbinate Backs PETA
In the Jerusalem Post:

"Technically, the shehita is kosher, but some of the things they do deviate from the rabbinate's guidelines," said Rabbi Ezra Raful, head of the rabbinate's international shehita supervision department, who watched the PETA video together with the Post.
"You see there, it looks like he ripped out the trachea and esophagus. We do not allow the animal to be touched after the shehita until the main part of the bleeding stops.
"That means no stunning like they do in Australia, and no attempts to speed the bleeding like what they are trying to do here."
Raful, who has supervised kosher slaughterhouses all over the world, including at AgriProcessors, said he has never seen the ripped throat practice before.
On both a five-minute and a 30-minute video released by PETA, the cows are shown being placed individually in a rotating drum known as the "Weinberg Pen," which is commonly used for shehita, so the knife can be held above the throat, as required by Halacha.
After the shohet (ritual slaughterer) slits the throat, another man rips open the cow's neck with a hook.
The Weinberg Pen rotates and dumps the slaughtered cow, with its windpipe hanging out, on the floor. But in the footage, the cow continues to move and slowly and shakily manages to stand.
"Look," noted Raful, "he did not cut one of the jugular veins, so blood is still flowing. That's another reason for not accepting that shehita. It looks as though the animal wasn't slaughtered properly."
Raful said it normally takes 30 seconds to a minute for the cow to lose consciousness if shehita is done properly.
It then scores a retraction from one of those originally backing PETA:
...in a telephone interview with the Post, Cohen (who is a vegetarian) was much more equivocal. "I'm not an expert on the laws of cruelty to animals in Halacha," he said. "AgriProcessors' kosher supervisor, Rabbi Haim Cohen, claims that tearing out the windpipe reduces the suffering of the animal," he added. "If that is true, the shehita is kosher."
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Unread 12-08-2004, 10:32 AM   #16
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"...in a telephone interview with the Post, Cohen (who is a vegetarian) was much more equivocal. "I'm not an expert on the laws of cruelty to animals in Halacha," he said. "AgriProcessors' kosher supervisor, Rabbi Haim Cohen, claims that tearing out the windpipe reduces the suffering of the animal," he added. "If that is true, the shehita is kosher."
Please excuse my ignorance: Can someone here help me as to which halacha he is referring to, a halacha that makes the kashrus of the shchita contingent upon whether this act reduces (alleged) suffering or not?
Also - what is the halachik term for "jugular veins" (which would apparantly - according to the fellow quoted - passel the shechita...) - which of the 2 simanim are they (and if possible - a reference to SA YD...).

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Unread 12-08-2004, 11:08 AM   #17
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Torah613, I am going to take a wild guess that you are not just finishing Rabinical school, but you are also learning to become a Shochet.

What do you think the end result is going to be in this case?
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Unread 12-08-2004, 04:19 PM   #18
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Re: URGENT!! Jewish Religious Freedom Under Attack!! We Must Respond!

There are many details of the PETA/shechitah controversy at:

http://www.shmais.com/jnewsdetail.cfm?ID=148

Rubashkin's Resonse to the
By: Sholom Mordechai Rubashkin
In the past few days an attack has been launched on our religious freedom. An organization called People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA), a group of extremists, has begun a very active campaign against Shechita, Jewish (Kosher) slaughter. They are an infamous political group with a radical political agenda and they are attempting to further that agenda at the expense of our religious freedom – by becoming a relevant voice in decisions directly related to the Shechita process.

Here is some information on this attack on Shechita:

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Unread 12-08-2004, 04:48 PM   #19
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Torah613, I am going to take a wild guess that you are not just finishing Rabinical school, but you are also learning to become a Shochet.
Actually, no - not at all.
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Unread 12-08-2004, 05:51 PM   #20
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Oh. So then why do you possibly know so much about these things?
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Unread 12-08-2004, 08:55 PM   #21
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What do I know about? I asked a question!
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Unread 12-09-2004, 12:57 AM   #22
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People Ou There!!!!!!!! This Peta Orgenazation Is Here To Take Total Control Of The Shichta. What Could Be More Humane Than What Hashem Has Commanded Us? Check Up Sholom Mordichai Rubashkin, The Owner Of Agri's Response To It All. Support Him. You Can Find It On Shmais.com And U Have To Read It. And Think Twice Before Saying Anything Against Him. Do U Belive All The Propoganda Of Cnn News? Dont Think So......... Look At The Facts.
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Unread 12-09-2004, 08:51 AM   #23
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see weds HaModia..Rav Belsky visited and apparently it says that Rubashkin is going to stop this post-tearing out business; if so, then why did he not say so in the Shmais post
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Unread 12-16-2004, 09:14 AM   #24
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even more disturbing....someone sent me this
Attached Files
File Type: pdf agri-weismndl-3.pdf (78.3 KB, 351 views)
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Unread 12-16-2004, 03:43 PM   #25
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And what does our resident hilchos shechita expert say about that pashkvil?
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