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Unread 03-29-2012, 08:39 PM   #1
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Between "Yeheyu l'ratzon" and "Elokai N'tzor"

It is printed in the siddur the loshon of the ARs Shulchan Orech that between "Yeheyu l'ratzon" and "Elokai N'tzor" you can answer kol davar sh'b'kedusha.

But in the chart that's in the back of many Kehos siddurim lately, it says restricts answering as strictly as during the brochos of Kriyas Shema.

What is the source of this difference of opinion, and how do we do it b'poal?
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Unread 03-29-2012, 10:16 PM   #2
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I don't know what the charts say, but in SA the AR writes a distinction before אלקי נצור and once you began אלק נצור - see 122:1.
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Unread 03-29-2012, 10:21 PM   #3
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Good point. They probably should have been more clear but theyr'e probably referring to when he already started Elokai Nitzor in which case the din is like Birchos Krias Shma.

(If you're referring to the new English Kehos Siddurim where it says "after the first yihyu liratzon.")

I see now that someone beat me to it.
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I believe that by "Dovor Shebikedusha" are meant those things which can be answered in Birchos Krias Shma
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Unread 03-29-2012, 10:27 PM   #5
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Not from where the Siddur is quoting from (122:1) if at all (55:2).
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Unread 03-30-2012, 07:53 AM   #6
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I guess the difference will be concerning Modim - which may not be considered דבר שבקדושה.
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I believe that by "Dovor Shebikedusha" are meant those things which can be answered in Birchos Krias Shma
What is the definition of דבר שבקדושה?
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Originally Posted by ARs SA 55:2
ב כל דבר שבקדושה כגון קדיש וברכו וקדושהיז אין אומרים בפחות מעשרהיח שנאמריט ונקדשתי בתוך בני ישראל ולהלן נאמרכ הבדלו מתוך העדה וגו' ולמדין גזרה שוה תוך תוך מה תוך האמור להלן עדה אף תוך האמור כאן עדה ואין עדה פחותה מעשרהכא שנאמרכב עד מתי לעדה הרעה הזאת צא מהם יהושע וכלב נשארו עשרה.
Does it include ברוך הוא וברוך שמו? Lechoira not.

Is it defined differently by the Alter Rebbe than by others?
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