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Unread 04-30-2009, 04:18 PM   #1
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Not another Moshiach thread

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"After his release from imprisonment in Petersburg, Rabbi Schneur Zalman of Liadi passed through the city of Vitebsk, where he was received by the city elders and community leaders. Tell us, Rebbe, he was asked, when will the tribulations of Israel end? When will the redeemer finally come?

Rabbi Schneur Zalman lowered his eyes to the ground and said softly: But how can he come? The Moshiach that everyone wants will never come, and the true Moshiach, no one wants.

When moshiach comes, today, we will have constant revelation of atzmus or ein sof and many other holy revelations.

As Much as I/we want moshiach, I dont want to have atzmus revealed in front of me! Aside for the blatant fact that im too lowly for those giluim, i want to be able to have some gashmius also and i wont be able todo that If atzmus is revealed!
With that said Does anyone here really want moshiach??

There was a Farbrengen years back in 770 btw a few chassidim and they were discussing this idea, one of the eltere chassidim proclaimed that only a Rebbe could realy want moshiach!
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Unread 04-30-2009, 04:22 PM   #2
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WOah! that is so true! I realy do want moshiach and I realy want to see the rebbe (oy) but as far as revealed Atzmus.... Im not ready to give up everything yet....

In a similar yet different vein: I realy want to see the rebbe, but im ashamed that the rebbe will see the true ME, yet I still desire and Wish to see the Rebbe right now. At least i think I do and i hope the desire is an emeser desire
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Unread 04-30-2009, 04:59 PM   #3
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And if I say that I really do want Moshiach, perhaps I'm not really being honest with myself....but if I say that I don't want Moshiach, then I'm lying...so what do you suggest?

By the way, I am Moshiach.
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Its a bit of a crass example, but perhaps we are like little children watching a vacuum cleaner. Its fascinating to see, but really scary if it gets too close.

I think that many of us want moshiach in principal (with all the giluim), but we are also scared of it.
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Unread 04-30-2009, 05:29 PM   #5
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An expert diamond merchant teaches you how to appreciate diamonds.
So now you look at a diamond differently. It's still a diamond. But now you appreciate its intrinsic value.

Gashmiyus is gashmiyus. And it will stay gashmiyus. But we will be able to understand how G-d makes a dwelling place in gashmiyus. How He reveals His Essence in the gashmiyus.

What's there to be scared of? The diamond is still a diamond. Gashmiyus is still gashmiyus. But via the gashmiyus, we will be able to see deeper. And we will be able to see it all around us.
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Unread 04-30-2009, 07:48 PM   #6
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Its a bit of a crass example, but perhaps we are like little children watching a vacuum cleaner. Its fascinating to see, but really scary if it gets too close.

I think that many of us want moshiach in principal (with all the giluim), but we are also scared of it.
You can also do what I did and teach them that the vacuum cleaner is not scary, but useful...and even fun.

I beg to differ- I think most people want an image of Moshiach that is not reality.
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Unread 04-30-2009, 11:05 PM   #7
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we know very little about what is going to be when Moshiach comes

scary? yes, anything that is unknown is scary,but at the same time we know that it is the purpose of the all creation and is our mission to accomplish

So ,do we want really Moshaich to come?
it depends who do you ask to:
if you ask to your nefesh Habamis ,then ,I am scare, I want gashmius,etc

if you ask my nefesh elokis ;then I want Moshaich NOWWWWW

IOW, first we have to bring our geula protis
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