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Unread 05-07-2006, 09:11 PM   #1
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Question Candidates For Moshiach

Who is alive today who would be considered a potential candidate for Moshaich (not including the Rebbe)? All opinions are welcome, but I am looking for specific individuals to be named, not generic descriptions.
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Unread 05-07-2006, 09:22 PM   #2
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magdy, r u a descendant ofthe House of David ?
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Unread 05-07-2006, 09:29 PM   #3
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What would be the point?
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Unread 05-07-2006, 10:42 PM   #4
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magdy, r u a descendant ofthe House of David ?
If nominated I will not run, if elected I will not serve. All of us are Moshiach in microcosm, since we are all a spark of the general yechidah vested in Moshiach, but it seems to me that Moshiach must be a person who is in the public eye to some degree not an anonymous person, as all of the examples we can think of, Ohr Hachayim, Arizal, Maharal, the Rebbeim, were all public figures.
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Unread 05-07-2006, 10:56 PM   #5
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If nominated I will not run, if elected I will not serve. All of us are Moshiach in microcosm, since we are all a spark of the general yechidah vested in Moshiach, but it seems to me that Moshiach must be a person who is in the public eye to some degree not an anonymous person, as all of the examples we can think of, Ohr Hachayim, Arizal, Maharal, the Rebbeim, were all public figures.
Yes, eventually he will have to be in the public eye to fulfill his obligations. Any of the Rebbes, or a male member of their families, descended from the Maharal could be a candidate as could the descendants of the exhilarchs etc.
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Unread 05-07-2006, 11:00 PM   #6
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Yes, eventually he will have to be in the public eye to fulfill his obligations. Any of the Rebbes, or a male member of their families, descended from the Maharal could be a candidate as could the descendants of the exhilarchs etc.
But at any given time there must be someone who is ready to be M if the call from above comes.
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Unread 05-07-2006, 11:03 PM   #7
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But at any given time there must be someone who is ready to be M if the call from above comes.
Yes, that is true. One thing we haven't mentioned is that I believe he will be a true prophet.
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Unread 09-30-2006, 05:18 PM   #8
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how can a human be the moshiac??

I dont get it you want a mere man to come and rid Isreal of its enemies?? and if this messiah is gonna come whats he waiting for???
If I had seen the apple of my eye suffering as the jewish nation has undoubtedly done I would have sent the messiah down there right away to wipe all their enemies out.

cheers! you know im right.

p.s thats the best sentence I've put together yet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
pps Your hat is slippin!!!!
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Unread 10-01-2006, 08:00 AM   #9
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I dont get it you want a mere man to come and rid Isreal of its enemies?? and if this messiah is gonna come whats he waiting for???!!!
Simon: The moshiah will be made know when Hashem says the time is right. When man is truely ready for the next stage of History.
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Unread 10-04-2006, 12:27 AM   #10
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I dont get it you want a mere man to come and rid Isreal of its enemies??
The Jewish Messiah is not a "mere Man" but a peson so holy that he has G-d given powers to accomplish what the greatest rulers in history were unable to; to transform the world to one that is only good and kind, and disencumbering the evil on the way.
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Unread 05-07-2006, 09:32 PM   #11
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If the qualifications are limited to those ideals considered necessary by Chabad Chassidus, (putting to the side any 'Dor Shvii' issues,) Moshiach would have to be someone who is comfortable with the concept of Hafotzas Mayanos HaBaal Shem Tov. That wouldn't necessarily mean he has to be an expert himself. But if Moshiach told the Besht that he would come K'sheyafutzu...and everyone could do yichudim, then it stands to reason that Moshiach would have to be someone who approves of the Mayanos Habesht!

It should also be mentioned that Moshiach does not have to be the biggest Talmid Chochom or Lamdan in the world. The Rambam says he has to be Hogeh BaTorah, not the brightest Rosh Yeshiva around. Bar Kochba was not one of the Tannaim quoted in Mishnayos or Beraysos. Apparently, R'Akiva was a bigger Talmid Chochom than the man he considered to be B'Chezkas Moshiach. That should open the field wide, and stop stam people from limiting their thinking about Chief Rabbis, Roshei Yeshiva and Admorim. It might be a frum military leader, or stam a learned balebos who will take upon himself the task when the time comes.

Of course, it never hurts to point out that the Rebbe himself said that there is no point in even dealing with this issue.
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Unread 05-07-2006, 09:38 PM   #12
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IMH opinion ,only the Rebbe can be Moshiach, I dunno how, not proof halachalik, but my personal ergesh

if u want a name for someone alive
consider

R Avraham Shemtov
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Unread 05-07-2006, 09:40 PM   #13
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IMH opinion ,only the Rebbe can be Moshiach, I dunno how, not proof halachalik, but my personal ergesh

if u want a name for someone alive
consider

R Avraham Shemtov
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Unread 05-07-2006, 10:27 PM   #14
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Taryag, are you AS or related to him? why the lechayims?
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Unread 05-07-2006, 10:38 PM   #15
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Taryag, are you AS or related to him? why the lechayims?
I dunno what Taryag is going to tell u

What I can tell you is , is that if Moshiach is a Lubavither(cannot be someone else)

Number 1 the Rebbe (has all the numbers

Only other candidate possibility :Rabbi AVraham Shemtov
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Unread 05-08-2006, 06:55 PM   #16
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If the qualifications are limited to those ideals considered necessary by Chabad Chassidus, (putting to the side any 'Dor Shvii' issues,) Moshiach would have to be someone who is comfortable with the concept of Hafotzas Mayanos HaBaal Shem Tov. That wouldn't necessarily mean he has to be an expert himself. But if Moshiach told the Besht that he would come K'sheyafutzu...and everyone could do yichudim, then it stands to reason that Moshiach would have to be someone who approves of the Mayanos Habesht!

It should also be mentioned that Moshiach does not have to be the biggest Talmid Chochom or Lamdan in the world. The Rambam says he has to be Hogeh BaTorah, not the brightest Rosh Yeshiva around. Bar Kochba was not one of the Tannaim quoted in Mishnayos or Beraysos. Apparently, R'Akiva was a bigger Talmid Chochom than the man he considered to be B'Chezkas Moshiach. That should open the field wide, and stop stam people from limiting their thinking about Chief Rabbis, Roshei Yeshiva and Admorim. It might be a frum military leader, or stam a learned balebos who will take upon himself the task when the time comes.

Of course, it never hurts to point out that the Rebbe himself said that there is no point in even dealing with this issue.
what do you mean when the time comes???
don't you know that moshiach has to bring back all the yidden to torah and mitzvos etc. as stated by the rambam, while still in golus?!
did anybody do or is doing that other then the rebbe?
don't you realize that moshiach is the ultimate jew, for whom the whole world was created for?!
I can't even fathom how you can suggest anyone other then the rebbe, and now the rebbe is only waiting for us to pick ourselves up on our own two feet and be mekabel the rebbe as moshiach as explained in the thread gimmel tammuz.
gimmel tammuz doesn't mean its over... it just (on gimmel tammuz) started!!!
what does anybody have to comment on the above?
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Unread 05-08-2006, 10:43 PM   #17
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what does anybody have to comment on the above?
uhuh.
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Unread 05-08-2006, 10:52 PM   #18
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what do you mean when the time comes???
don't you know that moshiach has to bring back all the yidden to torah and mitzvos etc. as stated by the rambam, while still in golus?!
did anybody do or is doing that other then the rebbe?
don't you realize that moshiach is the ultimate jew, for whom the whole world was created for?!
I can't even fathom how you can suggest anyone other then the rebbe, and now the rebbe is only waiting for us to pick ourselves up on our own two feet and be mekabel the rebbe as moshiach as explained in the thread gimmel tammuz.
gimmel tammuz doesn't mean its over... it just (on gimmel tammuz) started!!!
what does anybody have to comment on the above?
How far above would you be seeking comment?
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Unread 05-08-2006, 11:49 PM   #19
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Why not nominated?

I'm surprised no one nominated Rabbi Groner.He is a descendant of the AR, spent more time with the Rebbe probably than anyone else, and Has the Tzura of a Rebbe, as well as being a good communicator. However I believe he would defer to the Rebbe.
Other surprises at not being nominated;
Liozhner Rebbe;(he is an earner; would not need your contributions)
Dengha Rebbe, the first virtual Rebbe (guarenteed to have Chaim Nitzchiyim);
Rabbi Berel Wein;(can he farbreng your ear off);
DW Duke( he can sue the Wakf for the land and then negotiate the easement rights);
Rav Aharon Schachter of Chaim Berlin(equal time for misnagdim)
Ponyovizh rosh Yeshivah(see above)
Mir Rosh Yeshivah (see above)
Gen Dan Halutz(Bar kochva was a general, no?)
R' Ovadya Yosef (he ACTUALLY has one believer, a Bt fomer actor)
Boruch Merzel (fighting Milchemes Hashem v. Cananite gov)
Joe Lieberman(literally waiting at the Gates of Rome (Washington)
Caveat; this was not intended to be an all inclusive list; additions are welcome.
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Unread 05-08-2006, 11:53 PM   #20
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I'm surprised
that this conversation has continued as long as it has.

Ad mosai?!
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Unread 05-09-2006, 03:32 PM   #21
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I do not know if Matisyau is descendand from David Hamelech or not
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Unread 05-09-2006, 06:09 PM   #22
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I'm surprised
I'm even more suprised... no mention of the Guadalajara Rebbe! You here all about him on chabad.org... Look how many articles on him! And see what great esteem Rabbi Freeman has for him when he describes him -example another example... he's for sure Moshiach!!!! And he's soooo brilliant too! Pashut a tzaddik of the dor!
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Unread 05-07-2006, 09:46 PM   #23
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Who is alive today who would be considered a potential candidate for Moshaich (not including the Rebbe)? All opinions are welcome, but I am looking for specific individuals to be named, not generic descriptions.
Some people are supporting Rabbi Yosef Dayan, who is also an attorney and a member of the Sanhedrin. He participated in a ceremony to place a death curse on Sharon during the Disengagement. He is a male line descendant of King David but some say he is too controversial. He is the author of Throne and Crown and one of the founders of the Lishkat HaGazit School of Government in Israel. His supporters refer to him as Prince Yosef.

I am not saying I believe he is Moshiach or even a candidate, but he does have supporters.
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I think that the Tosher Rebbe is realted to the Maharal, who we have already determined was from the line of Dovid. He is certainly a Tzaddik, and he has much influence in the Chassidic world, especially Montreal. While we're playing silly games with no toeles, I thought I would throw that in.

Though I think Magdiel's point (or what I am assuming is his point) is well taken: If you take the Rebbe out of the picture (chas v'shalom), the conversation about who Moshiach could be sort of flounders for lack of an obvious candidate (or any candidate, other than, as I have indicated, the Tosher Rebbe, who a Vizhnitz friend of mine once told me was probably the leader of the generation. Incidentally, in the same conversation, he told me he thought that the Lubavitcher Rebbe was probably Moshiach).
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I don't think Moshiach Tzidkeinu is an attorney.
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