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Unread 01-18-2003, 10:36 PM   #1
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The Ohel

I know that there are many things that are supposed/not supposed to be done at the Ohel... but I live far away and (unfortunately) I do not often have the zchus to go. Could someone post exactly what should be done?
-panim (folding it specificly? reading by the tziyon?)
-Ma'aneh Loshon
-behavior (specific tehilim to say? by the kevarim of the Rebbetzins? walk backwards?)
-not eat(?)
etc, etc, etc.
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Unread 01-19-2003, 12:23 AM   #2
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BS"D From http://ohel.org/appconduct.html

Before entering the Ohel, it is customary to write a letter to the Rebbe. When signing the letter or mentioning someone else's name in the letter, one should include the name and mother's name (e.g. Yitzchak the son of Sarah). It is preferable to use the Hebrew name.

Men are required to wear a Kippah or hat. Women should be modestly dressed and wear a head covering which covers their hair entirely. (Available in the courtyard behind the house).

It is customary not to wear leather shoes in the Ohel. (Canvas shoes are available in the courtyard behind the house).

Candles may be lit on the designated shelves in the Ohel's ante-chamber. (Candles are available in the courtyard behind the house).

There are separate entrances for men and women. Some have the custom to knock on the door before entering, as a sign of respect.

It is customary to verbally read one's letter (albeit quietly), then tear it up and place it in the enclosed area.

Customary prayers include the Ma'aneh Lashon and Psalms. Suggested chapters of Psalms include the Rebbe's chapter, Psalm 100, and the chapter corresponding to one's age. (e.g. Chapter 31, for someone aged 30). There are Ma'aneh Lashon's and books of Psalms, in the Ohel's ante-chamber.

As a sign of respect, it is customary to exit the Ohel walking backwards.
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Unread 01-19-2003, 12:26 AM   #3
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thanks! anything else on any of the other questions?
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Unread 01-19-2003, 12:38 AM   #4
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BS"D Btw, as I mentioned in another thread, a pan is only written on an "es rotzon" - special day like Yud Shvat and Erev Rosh Hashana. During the rest of the year, it's a letter, not a pan.
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Unread 01-19-2003, 12:45 AM   #5
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Chof Beis Shvat? Birthday? When going to the Ohel, what do you write, then?
What is the difference b/w a pan, a letter, and a duch?
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Unread 01-19-2003, 01:02 AM   #6
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A Pan is a Pidyon Nefesh- only supposed to have your name and names you are Davening for.

A Duch is a Din V'Cheshbon- documenting your activities/Madreiga.

A letter is a letter- talking to the Rebbe, I suppose.

From what I understand, you can ask for a Bracha in all 3; there is a special text for a Pan, and a Duch has the "Ana Leorer" line on top too.
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Unread 01-19-2003, 01:07 AM   #7
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and a letter? nothing?
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Unread 01-19-2003, 01:54 AM   #8
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From what I see, most people don't differentiate between Duch and letter.
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Unread 01-19-2003, 01:58 AM   #9
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so on a letter I'd write "ana le'orer..."?? And when I'd go to the Ohel on an ordinary day, I'd write a letter/ duch, not a pan?

(judging by your screen name, I'd suppose you are the best person to ask on this? )
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Unread 01-19-2003, 02:05 AM   #10
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But from my limited knowledge base, I'd answer you yes on both counts.
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Unread 01-19-2003, 02:17 AM   #11
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I once heard something about folding the pan a specific way???
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Unread 01-19-2003, 06:23 PM   #12
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I was told four times, but I know of no mokor for this.
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Unread 01-19-2003, 09:25 PM   #13
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What's with the eating/not eating before? Is that only when going to the Rebbe's Ohel, or is it to any grave?
I heard something like chassidim specifically drink (?) something before cuz people practicing witchcraft fast before going 2 da cemetery....
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Unread 01-19-2003, 11:18 PM   #14
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I don't know the reason, but I also heard that we drink, but not eat, before going to the Ohel.

Point to Ponder:
If your Hachanos are keeping you from going to the Ohel (i.e. I can't go to the Ohel until really late and I can't fast till then so I won't go at all) then the Hachanos are a Chassidishe Yetzer Hara. The Hachanos are secondary to the actual going.
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Unread 01-20-2003, 11:41 AM   #15
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It was once told to the Rebbe of someone who went to the Ohel that day after eating and the Rebbe said,"Nu Ah rachmunus af em" meaning A pity on him.
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BS"D Check out this thread: Writing a Pan
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Unread 01-20-2003, 10:43 PM   #17
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Quote:
Originally posted by hishtatchus
If your Hachanos are keeping you from going to the Ohel
BS"D I also postpone going, and then force myself to go, and then feel guilty at not having prepared...

In general, I find going to the Ohel a very intense experience. I mean, the Rebbe is RIGHT THERE! It's quite scary.
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Unread 05-19-2003, 10:19 AM   #18
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Davening by the Ohel

Every time I go to the Ohel, I feel a lot of tension. Some sources stress that we are simply davening to Hashem at a holy place, other sources refer to speaking directly to the tzaddik to be a melitz yosher in shomayim. I'm never sure where my kavana should be. Is it a visit to the Rebbe, or is it a makom kodesh where tefila has added koach to reach the kisei hakavod?
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Unread 05-19-2003, 10:58 AM   #19
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All of the above.
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Unread 05-19-2003, 12:13 PM   #20
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see kuntres hahishtatchus
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Unread 05-19-2003, 12:22 PM   #21
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Quote:
Originally posted by Leayis
see kuntres hahishtatchus
Has anyone posted it?
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Unread 05-19-2003, 12:56 PM   #23
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With regards to posts 13-15, re: not eating yet drinking, the reason is based on the Zohar (which is said in Maane Lashon) that one is to fast when coming to Kivrei Tzadikim etc. Yet we are makpid to drink something, so as not to be similar to the Dorshim el Hamesim, who would fast.
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The Bobover Rebbe z'l's yartzeit is today (Rosh Chodesh Av). Thousands of people will be going to his gravesite. Only men are allowed to go today, presumably bec. there's no way to have men and women come, and still maintain tznius.

I have heard people complain about men and women being at the Ohel simultaneously. Can hours be made, or days of the week for m/f? I guess it can be a problem if a family goes together but maybe tznius comes first?
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I agree with you on this.
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