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Unread 10-17-2006, 11:51 AM   #1
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Yerida L'tzoirech Aliya...

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I've also been searching for a source for the concept that yeridah tzorech aliyah, and strangely, I can't find it. Can anyone help me?
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Unread 10-17-2006, 01:46 PM   #2
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Off the top of my head, I would say it is a svoro, as implied in Tanya Perek 36. But what do I know? Gevurah and the King will probably source it in Kabala and Maharal...
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Unread 10-18-2006, 12:34 AM   #3
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If you're referencing it in Tanya, perek 36 is a very weak source, though it's somewhat implied there in connection with the yerida to create low olamos. You'd want to better refer to perek 31, where it says clearly that yeridah tzorech aliyah. My question is what is the source for the concept that EVERY yerida is tzorech aliyah, not just yeridas haneshomo lemato.
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Unread 10-19-2006, 12:15 PM   #4
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In Hisvaaduyos 5747, v. 2, p. 407, the Rebbe says: "This enabled him [the Frierdiker Rebbe] to spend the last ten years of his life disseminating Judaism, and striving to civilize the gentile world as well, as is known and famous, and has been printed." What is the Rebbe referring to, and where has it been printed?
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Unread 10-20-2006, 11:45 AM   #5
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maharal...stop making jokes...

its certainly all over the Big "Polishers"...Degel machane Ephraim, pri Aretz (MM of Vitebsk), Chernobler, Koznitzer, ....etc etc... exact

Go see the marei mekomos books to Tanya....the answer should be there...

as for kabbalah... I saw something related to in the Ramak but need to look more closely...

its erev Shabbas....


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Unread 10-20-2006, 12:05 PM   #6
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NL... dangerous....there is clearly an earlier source as someone (booo hiss) thought every yeridah was for an aliyah and thus cuased havoc back in 1666.

even Breslov

for comparative nigle humor see Sefer haChinuch mitzvah 410.

actually seriously... Makkos 7b

http://www.chabad.org/library/article.asp?AID=145212
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Unread 10-21-2006, 07:45 AM   #7
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The 1st two references have nothing to do with the principle of a yerida and aliyah ruchnis. The last one does, but it doesn't state there [Ben Porat Yossef, Vayechi, p. 85a (and see there also p. 85b), and Me’or Einayim, Va’etchanan, p. 62b-c.]--these sforim are not tachas yodi, so if anyone else can check the reference, I'd appreciate it] that this is a general principle. It only says it in connection with ha'alo'as machshovos zoros bifrat.
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Unread 10-22-2006, 12:28 AM   #8
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I've also been searching for a source for the concept that yeridah tzorech aliyah, and strangely, I can't find it. Can anyone help me?
Tzavaas HaRivash
סד. פעמים שנופל אדם ממדרגה מחמת עצמו שהשי"ת יודע שהוא צריך לכך ופעמים העולם גורמים שיפול אדם ממדריגתו והירידה היא לצורך עליה כדי לבוא למדרגה גדולה כמ"ש הוא ינהגנו על מות וכתיב וירד אברם מצרימה ויעל אברם ממצרים אברם היא הנשמה ומצרים הם הקליפות
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Igrah De'Kala 107a

דלפעמים יארע לצדיק גדול ההולך בדביקות ותשוקה הנכבדת לבורא עולם, יארע לו לפעמים שיפול ממדריגתו, וקבלנו מהצדיקים שלא יתעצב בזה כי ירידה זו לצורך עליה, כי באם היה עולה במדריגה אחר מדריגה בלי הפסק היה מתבטל ממציאותו, על כן מסתלקין מעליו המוחין דגדלות, ועל ידי זה מתחזקים הכלים בעוסקו במצות מעשיות בעשיה ממש, ויכול לסבול אחר כך אור חדש הנמשך עליו על ידי התעוררת
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Tzikas HaTzadik par. 67
בכל מדרגה שהוא עולה יש לו לחזור ולשוב על חטאיו וזהו ענין חטאתי נגדי תמיד אף על פי שהאמין שכבר נתקבלה תשובתו מכל מקום לפי שהוא לא הי' עומד ובכל יום הי' עולה ממדריגה למדריגה. ונודע דברי האריז"ל כי בג"ע כל עת שמעלין למדרגה יותר גדולה מוסיפין לדקדק עליו בחטאיו ולהענישו על כל חטא קטן וכ"ה בעוה"ז. וזהו טעם ירידה לצורך עליה המבואר בספרים שעת שמדקדקים בו הוא עת הירידה ואז צריך תשובה. ועגמת נפש שיש לו מחטאיו הוא העונש כמש"ל אות נ"ז ועי"ז יזכה לעליה:
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thanks, but number is that exactly in Tzavo'as HoRivosh?
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Unread 10-23-2006, 11:06 AM   #10
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thanks, but number is that exactly in Tzavo'as HoRivosh?
Hanagos Yesharos, par. 64.
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so is taka a Chiddush of the BST?
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Unread 10-23-2006, 01:32 PM   #12
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the King will probably source it in Kabala and Maharal...
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8th??
[As I understand it] Much older discussion and question than besht although terms might be new (and there are updated answers etc)... Will G-d willing provide page numbers when I return from my travels...
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