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Unread 03-27-2006, 09:55 AM   #1
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For several years I have tried to figure out which Judaism is the "real" Judaism.
It is kind of like xians who claim only their denomination is correct. Or only their group is the "original."
I read about the different Jewish movements, the various types. It all sounds Greek to me.
Is an Orthodox more Jewish than a Reform?
Is it better to be a Lubavitch?
Are all Jews or any movement Jews?
Or is there a special formula to being Jewish?

Does it matter which Rabbi you like best?
Should I read Rambam or Rashi? Which is true?

There is so much out there.
Is a Messianic Jew as Jewish as a Conservative Jew?

Being an outsider, it is hard to figure out what Judaism is...
so many different types, different views.

How do you know what to believe?
Does it even matter?
How do I begin to understand?

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Unread 03-27-2006, 10:50 AM   #2
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First of all, "Judaism" is the adherence to the laws written in the Torah and explained by our Rabbis in the Talmud. "Judaism" is the vehicle through which "Jews" connect with G-d.

A "Jew" is someone who was born to a Jewish mother, or who converts and therefore becomes a Jew..

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For several years I have tried to figure out which Judaism is the "real" Judaism.
"Orthodox" is the name used to describe adherence to Torah law. So, yes, it is the only real Judaism. However, there are plenty of different points of view amongst Othodox Jews. Different groups, etc. We're not monochrome.
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It is kind of like xians who claim only their denomination is correct. Or only their group is the "original."
Its not like xtianity at all. The different groups in xtianity come from regional and ideological differences. A Baptist has no better claim on originality than a Methodist, or an Episcopalian. All of those groups were started to satisfy a regional need, or to espouse a different point of view.

Jews from all around the world, with no communication between them, have kept the same Torah. Were they all to walk into a room together with a couple of progressive Jews, they would all bel labeled "Orthodox" Jews, though their practices might differ wildly.

Orthodoxy is not a specific philosophy of Judaism, or any other such thing. It is the label given to Torah-true Judaism. I would rather it just be called "Judaism." We don't need labels.
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Is an Orthodox more Jewish than a Reform?
No. A Jew is a Jew because is mother is Jewish. Therefore, a Reform Jew is by definition a Jew who is not practicing Judaism. The fact that he is not practicing Judaism does not take away from the fact that he is a Jew. But as a factual matter, one who "is Reform" is not practicing Judaism. He is practicing a religion loosely based on Judaism.
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Is it better to be a Lubavitch?
Lubavitch is a movement within Orthodoxy. We have specific notions on how best to connect to G-d, and to live one's life. Pick up "Lessons in Tanya" or talk to your local Shaliach to learn more about Lubavitch. I can't answer this question. Only you can!
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Or is there a special formula to being Jewish?
That formula is called Torah. As I have said before: those of us who practice real Judaism, have been labelled Orthodox. We didn't chose the label, I promise you.
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Does it matter which Rabbi you like best?
Should I read Rambam or Rashi? Which is true?
They're both true. 100%.
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There is so much out there.
Yes.
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Is a Messianic Jew as Jewish as a Conservative Jew?
Many people who claim to be Messianic Jews are not actually Jewish. But if someone whose mother is Jewish claims to be a Messianic Jew, then he is as Jewish as a Conservative Jew. He is a Jew practicing xtianity. But he is a Jew.

Messianic Judaism, however, has no connection with Judaism. The two are opposites. Conservative Judaism, while not Torah-true Judaism, is at least a "bad clone" of the real thing. However, just because you stick the word "Judaism" after any random adjective, does not make the practice you're referring to Judaism. Messianic Judaism is actually just xtainity.

Being an outsider, it is hard to figure out what Judaism is...
so many different types, different views.

How do you know what to believe?
Does it even matter?
How do I begin to understand?

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Unread 03-27-2006, 07:37 PM   #3
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Cool Thankyou

Hi...
Okay I am not good at the terms yet, sorry.
I do the same thing with Islam, I confuse the words.
Jews, Jewish, Judaism...?
Well, I will have to work on it.

But I get it I think.
Judaism is obeying the Torah.
All 613 laws.
Nothing more or less.

So where are genuine Orthodox Web Sites to learn from?
Judaism is Orthodox...right?

Okay.
It is a beginning.

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Unread 03-27-2006, 07:47 PM   #4
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So where are genuine Orthodox Web Sites to learn from?
Judaism is Orthodox...right?
www.chabad.org has alot of real good staff.

www.askmoses.com is good to chat with a Rabbi
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