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Unread 01-25-2005, 05:15 PM   #1
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Choosing A Yeshiva

It is between Yud Shvat and Pesach, which is the time of the year when bochurim are thinking about Yeshivos for next year. In choosing a Yeshiva there are numerous factors that get taken into consideration:

1. The quality and level of the shiur in nigleh (I'm just picking a random order).

2. The quality and level of the shiur in Chassidus.

3. The dedication and care that the hanhallah shows to the bochurim.

4. The quality of the mashpia in terms of someone who provides constant guidance and direction to the bochurim in their Chassidishkeit.

5. The overall level of the bochurim in the class/Yeshiva.

6. The overall atmosphere of chassidishkeit in the Yeshiva.

7. The availability of good chavrusos (which for whatever reason may be more available to an individual in a Yeshiva that may be lacking in other qualities).

8. The absence of friend/s who may have a negative influence.

9. An atmosphere of flexibility (not too much pressure).

10. Other?

The question that I would very much appreciate input on, is: What is the order of priorities in which you would place the above factors, or which combinations you would place before others. [If you can indicate if you're a bochur or not it would also be very helpful].

Behind this is (I think) another very fundemental question: What do you consider your main goal in Yeshiva? What do you hope to accomplish during your years there? And are there maybe some goals (a big lamdan/maskil/oveid) that you maybe don't see as realistic/practical/feasible for you? Anyways, enough said, I hope to hear from you . .

["Food" was not one of the choices because I consider this question a very serious matter! ]
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Unread 01-25-2005, 08:38 PM   #2
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9. An atmosphere of flexibility (not too much pressure).
They made a Yeshivah that's a shvantz?

Seriously, unless you have a "special need" (aren't up to par in Gemara, social skills, etc.), Tomchei Tmimim was founded for instilling Chassidishkeit and lack of veltlechkeit. You can't go wrong with that specification. Look to the Yeshivah in general, and to the particular class you would join.
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Unread 01-25-2005, 10:00 PM   #3
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The sicha in the hosafos of chelek 14 seems to attach paramount importance to limud hatorah - nigleh and chassidus, not either of the above. But at any rate, why can't someone go wrong if he goes to a mediocre shiur, when he could have gone to a much better one, isn't he selling himself short [or maybe the argument can be made that there's no real difference between one shiur and another, and if a bochur wants to learn he can achieve equally in any shiur]?
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Unread 01-25-2005, 10:14 PM   #4
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They made a Yeshivah that's a shvantz?

Seriously, unless you have a "special need" (aren't up to par in Gemara, social skills, etc.), Tomchei Tmimim was founded for instilling Chassidishkeit and lack of veltlechkeit. You can't go wrong with that specification. Look to the Yeshivah in general, and to the particular class you would join.
Quite an arrogant post for someone by the name Bittul!
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Unread 01-26-2005, 05:32 PM   #5
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I fail to see the arrogance in the post.

Aside from which, the name bittul was chosen for me, kanizkar bm"a.
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Unread 01-26-2005, 07:06 PM   #6
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I fail to see the arrogance in the post.

Aside from which, the name bittul was chosen for me, kanizkar bm"a.
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Unread 01-26-2005, 07:11 PM   #7
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I fail to see the arrogance in the post.

Aside from which, the name bittul was chosen for me, kanizkar bm"a.
It seems like you don't give room for people with special needs.
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Unread 01-26-2005, 09:05 PM   #8
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I don't know why things tend to get so sidetracked around here . .
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Unread 01-26-2005, 09:51 PM   #9
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Lol. You're a funny guy (or gal).

There was no judgement made about special needs, simply a statement that our discussion is about the norm, while someone with a specific need has to look for those qualities. The words special needs are in quotes because normally that term refers to mental handicaps that are government defined, which is not what I was referring to.

wannabe's criteria refer to the average bochur. If you have a special needs situation, speak up.
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Unread 03-12-2005, 11:51 PM   #10
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1. The quality and level of the shiur in nigleh (I'm just picking a random order).
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But at any rate, why can't someone go wrong if he goes to a mediocre shiur, when he could have gone to a much better one, isn't he selling himself short
It looks like you have an agenda over here. Because in my humble opinion as a bochur the Shiur in Iyun is really not all that important being that most bochurim don't follow it anyway. I think that the main thing to look for in a Yehsivah is the Bochurim and Hanhalah who care about the bochurim and work with them to help them improve in their learning, chisidishkeit, etc.
You ask us to tell you if we are bochurim or hanhala but you yourself forgot to tell us your status.

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Unread 03-13-2005, 12:48 AM   #11
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The sicha in the hosafos of chelek 14 seems to attach paramount importance to limud hatorah - nigleh and chassidus, not either of the above. But at any rate, why can't someone go wrong if he goes to a mediocre shiur, when he could have gone to a much better one, isn't he selling himself short [or maybe the argument can be made that there's no real difference between one shiur and another, and if a bochur wants to learn he can achieve equally in any shiur]?
learning is only learning when it has the other stuf(hafatsa y"s)etc.
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Unread 04-01-2005, 04:23 PM   #12
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anybody know about yeshiva in toronto

anybody know about yeshiva in toronto
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Unread 04-01-2005, 05:16 PM   #13
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like what the bochurim do there friday afternoon at 4:23 . .
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Unread 04-01-2005, 06:09 PM   #14
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If only you had made this thread when Yeshiva was an option for me, wannabe I like the first post...
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Unread 04-03-2005, 02:05 PM   #15
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Thanks Nissan , at least you're not accusing me of an agenda . .
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Unread 04-03-2005, 02:32 PM   #16
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The only agenda I would accuse you of is that of trying to get the right bochurim back into the right schools for them...
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Unread 04-03-2005, 10:36 PM   #17
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i have heard good report re mesivta in monsey, which may even open a zal next year
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Unread 04-03-2005, 11:05 PM   #18
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like what the bochurim do there friday afternoon at 4:23 . .
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Unread 04-04-2005, 02:05 AM   #19
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Look at what time the poster right before wannabe posted. (the time may be a little different depending on where you are but it says ##:23 and the post was on Erev Shabbos)
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Unread 04-04-2005, 06:38 AM   #20
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i have heard good report re mesivta in monsey, which may even open a zal next year
The good report is accurate, however as of now they have no plans for a zal for next year.
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Unread 04-04-2005, 09:59 PM   #21
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i have good information that the zal is a definite possibility for next year and a potential candidate for MS is to be interviewed shortly
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Unread 04-05-2005, 12:02 AM   #22
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shoyn i have good information that the zal is a definite possibility for next year and a potential candidate for MS is to be interviewed shortly
Last year they were also supposed to have a zal (and move to New Haven)?

Bichlal each Yeshivah has maalos and chesronos-people who were there or know please post. Also it all depends on what kind of Bachur you are and what age you are because different yeshivos are geared towards different kinds of people.
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Unread 04-05-2005, 04:03 AM   #23
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Shoyn, anything is a definite possibility in this changing world, but I think my info was correct.
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Unread 04-07-2005, 07:03 PM   #24
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the way i chose the yeshiva i am going to was because my rabbi was in a similar situation to me when he was my age only he became frum a few years before, and i asked him where he thought would be suitable
there were a few choices such as places in israel but for various reasons i decided against it and i am going to a yeshiva in america
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Unread 04-07-2005, 07:23 PM   #25
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hopetobe, when are you starting?
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