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Unread 11-23-2004, 12:14 AM   #1
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Yeshiva Talmidim and the Internet

When a Yeshiva has a Farbrengen, many of the bochurim leave and find net cafes-they go online, check email, and talk to who knows who, and see who knows what. I don't understand how this is allowed?! For sure the Rosh of the Yeshiva knows, so how can he allow it-is it that hard to precent?
Or even when they're suppossed to be on Mivtzoim, bochurim go to net cafes, and do things they really shouldnt be doing.... I just don't understand???
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Unread 11-23-2004, 01:04 AM   #2
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I think you should separate Farbrengen from Mivtzoim, as one might be easier to deal with than the other.

But I think they know of this problem, but are not sure what the solution to it is, if you have a suggestion then adaraba, I am sure they are more than willing to hear.
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Unread 11-23-2004, 01:33 AM   #3
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Provide moderated and filtered internet access at specific times? (I could argue against this, just throwing out an idea)
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Unread 11-23-2004, 08:43 AM   #4
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Or the farbrengens could be done via the internet?
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Unread 11-23-2004, 09:19 AM   #5
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Seriously, there are two issues: one is to control the comings and goings of the bochurim. While the Yeshiva has to try it's best (I know a Yeshiva where seder is extended for an extra hour in the evening solely bcuz the RY wants to keep track of where the bochurim are), we have to acknowkedge that ultimately it is as chazal tell us ein apitropus vechulu.

The second issue is why don't the bochurim want to stay by the farbrengens? any input on that?
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Unread 11-23-2004, 09:54 AM   #6
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We even have an internet cafe in CH.
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Unread 11-23-2004, 03:42 PM   #7
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maybe people should be more inovative on who they get to farbreng....
or what they farbreng about....
in my school we just had the coolest farbrengen, usually no oone stays till the end, or only three girls do, but at this one, everybody stayed till the end...
just a suggestion...
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Unread 11-23-2004, 04:59 PM   #8
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what happened at that farbrengen that made it so cool?
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Unread 11-23-2004, 10:21 PM   #9
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First stop ice cream shop. Then its on to the internet cafe. Third stop....?
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Unread 11-23-2004, 11:25 PM   #10
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I'm posting right now from the yeshiva dorm. The difference is I don't abuse the connection. I keep seder, go to farbrengens, go on mitzoyim, etc
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Unread 11-24-2004, 12:28 AM   #11
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The isssue isn't by farbrengens because if there is a dorm counsler or mashgiach he can keep track of who is where (and either way if there is no mashgiach a bachur can go during seder also which does happan in some yeshivos). The problem is on a Fri when officially there is mivtzayim or by lunch in some yeshivos where the bachurim are allowed to leave the grounds.
The bottom line is it depends on the hashgachah in the Yeshivah.
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Unread 11-24-2004, 01:33 AM   #12
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How can we say such bad things about Chassidishe Bachurim? They go to the internet cafe to learn Torah online, of course!
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Unread 11-24-2004, 06:34 AM   #13
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Re: Yeshiva Talmidim and the Internet

wow... people have fabrengens in school??... i am in school right now and would give anything to be in a good chassidishe fabrengen
i am going to yeshiva to get away from the life i have now and live the yeshivish life for at least 2 years, and i would never abuse the trust of a rosh yeshiva that has trusted me to stay in the fabrengen the whole time and when i am on mivtzoyim i will complete the job then go back to the yeshiva to learn not go on the internet
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Unread 11-24-2004, 03:21 PM   #14
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kudos to you...your one in a million
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Unread 11-24-2004, 09:54 PM   #15
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Hope2Be: You're on record now. We'll be keeping tabs. Update us frequently :-)

All kidding aside, your enthusiasm is very admirable. Keep it up. It helps bring vitality to the Farbrengens... and to seder... and to mivtzoim... and to everything basically.
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Unread 11-25-2004, 03:08 AM   #16
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Re: Yeshiva Talmidim and the Internet

If the bachurim mamosh went to a net cafe to check their email from their relatives, or to see what's new on shmais, then as much as it's bittul Torah/Mivtzoim, it wouldn't be so bad. The problem is what they do online... OY, the problem is who they MEET online!
My friend's brother has a lap-top, he's very good in computers I'm told, so b4 going off to shlichus in a Yeshiva, he left his lap top at home, so that he wouldn't waste his time... Why can't more bochurim have this train of thought?

Oy vey...
I think that Yeshivos really have to see where the bochurim are.
If a boy isn't at the Farby, then where is he?
Also, these boys have cell phones with email, and instant messaging... and they use them in Yeshiva!?!? I just really don't understand it.

Also i have a question, how come if a bochur is at home and online, the things he does aren't as bad as when he's at yeshiva-sneaking a computer "dosage"????
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Why only bochurim..........? For somethings it takes 2......
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Unread 11-25-2004, 11:07 AM   #18
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I davka got a laptop before coming to Yeshiva because I certainly couldn't take my PC. I'm glad I have this, otherwise I'd go nuts.
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Unread 11-25-2004, 11:37 AM   #19
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Re: Yeshiva Talmidim and the Internet

It's of course not only bochurim...because generally the girls who go on are at home...
I don't get how and why the boys can get on? Why isnt there more precautions... Trust me, the bochurim are worst than the girls a large precentage of the time.
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Unread 11-25-2004, 02:53 PM   #20
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now770: I don't think any Yeshivos endorse the use of a computer by bochurim Are you suggesting that Yeshivos should be more restrictive in the comings and goings of bochurim? First of all ein apitropus vechulu. Second, many bochurim who are not into anything not kosher feel too restricted as it is. You don't want a bochur to feel imprisoned in Yeshiva, and leave with a bad taste for the whole system. What is your solution?
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Unread 11-25-2004, 05:32 PM   #21
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If the bachurim mamosh went to a net cafe to check their email from their relatives, or to see what's new on shmais, then as much as it's bittul Torah/Mivtzoim, it wouldn't be so bad. The problem is what they do online... OY, the problem is who they MEET online!
My friend's brother has a lap-top, he's very good in computers I'm told, so b4 going off to shlichus in a Yeshiva, he left his lap top at home, so that he wouldn't waste his time... Why can't more bochurim have this train of thought?

Oy vey...
I think that Yeshivos really have to see where the bochurim are.
If a boy isn't at the Farby, then where is he?
Also, these boys have cell phones with email, and instant messaging... and they use them in Yeshiva!?!? I just really don't understand it.

Also i have a question, how come if a bochur is at home and online, the things he does aren't as bad as when he's at yeshiva-sneaking a computer "dosage"????
Do you have a Cell Phone?
Do you have a Computer?
Do you have go on instant messenger?

If so, why can't they?

(Yeah, I know, my reasoning sux0r's, but too bad)

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Unread 11-25-2004, 05:41 PM   #22
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Re: Yeshiva Talmidim and the Internet

There are probably two separate issues here:

1. What guys and girls do on the Internet and its level of appropriateness

2. Guys using the Internet at yeshiva and its implications there (i.e., a lot of guys use the Internet at home but would not use it in yeshiva, and many yeshivas understand that guys will use the Internet at home, but don't want it entering the yeshiva)


It seems to me that the responses here deal with these issues, but often overlap and don't differentiate between one issue and the other. Unless someone disagrees with me about there being two separate issues...
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Unread 11-25-2004, 08:55 PM   #23
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Re: Yeshiva Talmidim and the Internet

I totally agree with Chabadnika!
That's exactly what i'm saying...
And to answer Wannabe, i don't know exactly the goings on of a yeshiva, but i don't see how the bochurim could go so much online like they do...
And to yosstek- Everything i do-whether its online, or telephone, my welcomingly allow my parents to see... They don't sit and watch as i type, but at the same time i don't hide anything from them!!!
Also, as Chabadnika said the problem i'm reffering to is that guys are using the Net at yeshiva... and that is the problem, cuz its mamesh going against the rules, and a large precent of the time doing way worse then they normally would-to make up for lost net time....
I know of a bochur who Instant messaged a girl from his Yeshiva's office! Now that was just too strange?!?!
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Unread 11-25-2004, 10:56 PM   #24
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Rules are meant to be broken....
Some of the cases here are interesting... So, now that we've talked about it, what will 'they' do about it?
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Unread 11-25-2004, 11:18 PM   #25
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Re: Yeshiva Talmidim and the Internet

I'll take it your first statement was sarcasm? lol
Anyways... In order to find a solution, you have to figure out how they're getting away with it... So boys, how do u do it?
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