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Unread 11-07-2009, 06:51 PM   #1
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Career counselors and graduate programs 1

Heeding CHOSSIDNISTARS advice I will start with one question.

I know that in general the Lubavitcher Rebbe was against people going to college did his "shita" also include graduate programs?
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Unread 11-07-2009, 07:00 PM   #2
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Why is "shita" in quotation marks?
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Unread 11-07-2009, 07:04 PM   #3
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Because I see many in the Lubavitch community (Rabbi's, Mashpiim) who argue on almost every aspect of life what his "shita" was.
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I don't see any distinction between the warnings about college that the Rebbe made, but it seems they are less applicable to graduate programs for the following reasons.

1) A person has usually already begun some program of secular education at this point, so he is not beginning a program but rather finishing what he already started.
2) The percentage of married students in graduate school is much higher. And the average age for marriage in Chabad circles is usually before the average age for grad school.
3) The potential for negative hashpoh is somewhat lower because there is less of an intense social aspect (fraternities and the like) and because certain graduate programs (for example, law school) do not involve much in the way of "general studies" requirements. Also, there is a greater drive in many professional schools to learn a trade, rather than to stam develop as an adult.

Now none of what I said above is a 100% cure for the warning. A person can still be floating through college in grad school as in undergrad, can still be single, and can still be subject to secular hashpoh. For this reason, once again, the best thing to do is talk over the decision with a trusted mashpiah (or several) and also with one's close family and friends.
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1) A person has usually already begun some program of secular education at this point, so he is not beginning a program but rather finishing what he already started.

What about bochurim from 770 who finish smicha and go on to graduate programs the following year without getting married?
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Why all these questions, since you obviously made up your mind already (see http://www.chabadtalk.com/forum/show...&postcount=3)?

As far as what "bochurim in 770" do these days, you are merely pointing put another facet of the post Gimmel Tamuz churban.
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Unread 11-07-2009, 09:32 PM   #7
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Just because I am doing something doesn't mean the topic can't be discussed.

Bochurim who don't have family businesses to join, or don't have a father who is shliach and has some property set aside for him what is he supposed to do?
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True, though it means you are out to defend a position you have, which would be nice to have been made clear at the outset.
As to what bochurim are supposed to do - they could go to Ner Yisroel.
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Unread 11-07-2009, 09:42 PM   #9
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they could go to Ner Yisroel.

What does that mean?
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By going to a career counselor one finds out what they can add to the world in the marketplace. No matter in what type of work they may do.
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Ner Yisroel is also a Maryland state accredited college, and has agreements with Johns Hopkins University, Towson University, Community College of Baltimore County, Loyola College in Maryland, University of Baltimore, and University of Maryland, Baltimore County allowing under-graduate students to take night courses at these colleges and universities in a variety of academic fields. The agreement also allows the students to receive academic credits for their religious studies. The studies are limited however by yeshiva policy to exclude freshmen and for sophomore students and older one must complete a six-month waiting period until he may commence with his academic study and even then is limited to a bi-weekly and summer basis. This arrangement appeals to many Orthodox young men looking to gain accreditation without compromising the intensity and integrity of the yeshiva experience . Students who choose to pursue a professional career often enter fields such as law, medicine, dentistry, finance, and accounting after graduating from NIRC.
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By going to a career counselor one finds out what they can add to the world in the marketplace. No matter in what type of work they may do.
A career counselor is not going to tell you to become a career counselor
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Unread 11-08-2009, 04:03 AM   #13
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A career counselor is not going to tell you to become a career counselor



Why do you say that?

How do you know?
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allowing under-graduate students to take night courses at these colleges and universities in a variety of academic fields.




1. It's Undergrad.
2. If this is true, I can tell friends about this so they don't waste their time in the Lubavitch Yeshivah system.
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Fascinating.
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Fascinating.


According to Lubavitch legend anyone who is supposed to go to Tomchei Tmimim will end up there anyway.
So why cant I tell my friends?
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True, though it means you are out to defend a position you have, which would be nice to have been made clear at the outset.
As to what bochurim are supposed to do - they could go to Ner Yisroel.
Interesting. Are there a lot of Chabad talmidim in NIRC?
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According to Lubavitch legend anyone who is supposed to go to Tomchei Tmimim will end up there anyway.
So why cant I tell my friends?
You can tell them watever you want. Where did I say otherwise?
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Sorry. Thanks for the info about Ner Yisrael.
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