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Unread 04-20-2004, 10:12 PM   #51
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Even when they shout ad mosai, it's because they were told, for if they intended and asked it and shouted it for real, Moshiach would certainly have come already.
yet I heard a shliach give a class and he said, in passing, the Rebbe is the one who really wants Moshiach, not us ... we just say we do

I am sorry but I fail to grasp what was the problem or what was so confusing with what the shiliach said .
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Unread 04-21-2004, 10:30 AM   #52
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nothing confusing
do you see what the Rebbe is complaining about in the quote? how do you not see a problem with what the shliach said?!
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Unread 04-21-2004, 06:25 PM   #53
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nothing confusing
do you see what the Rebbe is complaining about in the quote? how do you not see a problem with what the shliach said?!
The Rebbe said that people scream ad mosai but don't really mean it ,and the only reason they do so is because they were told to do so (and the Rebbe goes on and says for if it they meant it truely Moshiach would have been here already).

The shilach said the only one who really wants Moshiach [iow truely] is the Rebbe not us ,we only say we do [iow we only say we want Moshiach (or ad mosai) because we were told to do so]

So being that I am very dense today can you please explaine what is wrong with what the shilach said ?
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Unread 04-21-2004, 06:27 PM   #54
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the shliach was expressing precisely that which the Rebbe denounced
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Unread 04-21-2004, 06:56 PM   #55
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I am not going to read into the shliach's mind, but: The Shliach may have told the truth which is lacking.

Only Tzadikim Gemurim can Really Want Moshiach. But by acknowledging our low status we may achieve some spark of greatness.

I guess the poster is a Tzadik Gamur. Great company here.
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Unread 04-21-2004, 08:03 PM   #56
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Unread 04-21-2004, 09:17 PM   #57
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the shliach was expressing precisely that which the Rebbe denounced
Did it occur to you that maybe that was his point !
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Unread 04-21-2004, 09:19 PM   #58
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I'm not getting your point.

Just to remind you, this was in a shiur and the comment was said in passing.
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Unread 04-21-2004, 09:45 PM   #59
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was the point of the shliach too bad, only the Rebbe can truly want Moshiach so there is nothing really we can do or did the shliach mean his comment as uch un vei that were here bec. everyone pays lip-service to begging for moshiach but no one really wants it and therefore lets get our act together?
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Unread 04-21-2004, 10:35 PM   #60
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I'm not getting your point.

Just to remind you, this was in a shiur and the comment was said in passing.
Why do you right away assume that he meant something wrong,maybe he mean to say what the Rebbe said.

Btw if it were not true what he said then as the Rebbe said Moshiach would have come already.
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Unread 04-22-2004, 08:55 AM   #61
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to respond to the two previous posts - his comment was a light remark, not part of the shiur, not thought deeply into, just off the cuff, therefore he neither meant "too bad ... etc." nor did he mean "uch un vey ... etc." It was a simple statement of fact.

I found his remark jarring because he made no further comment about it. If he said, laider ... we are still not yearning for it mit an emes, as we should, or Moshiach would have come already, that would have been great! But he said nothing of the kind. It seemed to me that after the Rebbe so shockingly said what he said on 28 Nissan, that in the context of a Chassidus shiur it would have been appropriate for him to have said something further.

It seemed to exemplify the Rebbe's prediction: "they will publish this, bind it, and it will sit on the shelf!"
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translation: bump.

I ask those who bump to add something to the threads, instead of just bumping them.
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translation: bump.

I ask those who bump to add something to the threads, instead of just bumping them.
why?

now seriously, years are going by and we need to stop just repeating the same things again and expect different results.
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Suggestion: Take the 11.5 minutes to hear the WHOLE sicha, not just everyone's favorite excerpts: http://www.chabad.org/therebbe/artic...5751-Sicha.htm
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Unread 05-06-2016, 08:35 AM   #66
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Listening now... thanks for sharing!
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