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Unread 09-09-2012, 03:28 PM   #1
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Gottkeit vs. Gettlichkeit

My original impression based on Mitzvas Haamonas Haelokus is that the difference between the two is exactly the difference between Godness vs. Godliness. Godness is something only God has (it's a little difficult to discuss it while upholding achdus haposhut etc. so I won't bother) whereas something Godly is not God, but has a feature (we associate) with God. For example, you could say a rachum is more Godly than an achzar because mah hu rachum etc. The punchline is Gettlichkeit is a description of something rather than the thing itself. For example, there is no such thing as rachmonus by itself without people to practice rachmonus.

Now I hear a recorded shiur from Rabbi Paltiel that seems to say Gettlichkeit is something created, which seems to contradict my impression.

So what is your impression?
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Unread 09-10-2012, 12:35 PM   #2
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לפלא שמקצר כ"כ בכתיבה, וכותב רק נקודות נקודות בקוצר אמרים, ועכ"ז מבקש חוו"ד
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Unread 09-10-2012, 08:22 PM   #3
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לפלא שמקצר כ"כ בכתיבה, וכותב רק נקודות נקודות בקוצר אמרים, ועכ"ז מבקש חוו"ד
Last I checked ולדבקה בו does not include מה הוא מעלה ארוכה אף אתה תעלה ארוכה
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Unread 09-10-2012, 08:48 PM   #4
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לדבקה בו.. To whom?

Rabbi Paltiel?
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Unread 09-11-2012, 01:29 AM   #5
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You might want to quote the exact shiur in which R' Paltiel gives the explanation that you're quoting.

I've never heard of the expression "G-dness." The distinction I've seen drawn is Hashem/Elokah/Atzmus and Elokus. Or is that exactly what you're saying, in different words?
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Unread 09-14-2012, 03:40 PM   #6
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I'd have to find the shiur again...they all start to meld together in my head.
But yes, I'm talking about Eloka v. Elokus.
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Unread 09-24-2012, 07:44 PM   #7
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You might want to quote the exact shiur in which R' Paltiel gives the explanation that you're quoting.

I've never heard of the expression "G-dness." The distinction I've seen drawn is Hashem/Elokah/Atzmus and Elokus. Or is that exactly what you're saying, in different words?
Um, it seems I made up the word Gottkeit. The TT only has the word Gettlichkeit, k'muvan.
The exact shiur where R. Paltiel discusses the concept may or may not be forthcoming, depending on whether I have the time to find it.
So let me rephrase the question, leaving out all hallucinations and finger-pointing: Is Elokus something that exists as a creation, or is it just an adjective describing something in relation to Eloka?
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Unread 09-27-2012, 02:28 PM   #8
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Did you look in ספר הערכים - חב"ד already?
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Unread 09-28-2012, 04:57 PM   #9
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No, but thanks for the idea.
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Unread 09-29-2012, 10:51 PM   #10
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Did you look in ספר הערכים - חב"ד already?
I'm not sure what you mean...Sefer HaErchin only goes up to Echad, nowhere near Elokus.
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Unread 09-29-2012, 11:37 PM   #11
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