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Unread 05-08-2003, 09:37 AM   #1
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Hemshech Ayin-Beis

In the back of Vol.3 of hemshech "B'sho'oh she'hikdimu", there is a summary of the entire hemshech.

Does anyone know who wrote the summary? Is it reliable?

(It must be quite a feat to compose a detailed summary of the entire hemshech.)

I am still plowing through Samech-Vov and do not think I should get involved in Ayin-Beis just yet. But the three volumes look so beautiful just sitting there on the shelf. I thought that perhaps I could read the summary as a start.
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Unread 05-08-2003, 02:16 PM   #2
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It looks reliable (at least to me).
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Unread 05-08-2003, 03:08 PM   #3
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I found one typo.
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Unread 05-08-2003, 03:46 PM   #4
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a typo? Uh oh!

Well, as was posted today:

If there is even one error in the whole thing, then we can't believe anything he writes!

(CH"V CH"V)
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Unread 05-08-2003, 06:32 PM   #5
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i am told that it is written by horav yakov chazan -who by the way can take credit for doing the most -lately -to print newly found mamorim from the rebeeyim
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Unread 05-08-2003, 06:49 PM   #6
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not true
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Unread 05-08-2003, 06:59 PM   #7
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rebayzl, give Gevurah his style back!
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Unread 05-09-2003, 10:37 AM   #8
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not at all... he may be the greatest of my teachers

so who made the aleph in geulah rebayzl?
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Unread 05-09-2003, 10:45 AM   #9
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You found it already in some sources.

But IMHO it is really irrelevant who came up with this particular Remez (allusion). In Chabad the Remez is not important, but the content.

I will try to check some sources, but I think that the obsession with Remazim like these is a deviation from original Chabad, and can bring dire consequences.
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Unread 05-09-2003, 10:52 AM   #10
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but its perek gimmel this week and my house doesn't have much b'gashmiyus for desert this week....
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Unread 05-09-2003, 11:07 AM   #11
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Perek Gimel has some interesting topics to discuss:

Chavivin Israel - the Chosen People

Hakol Tzafuy - Yedi'ah and Bechirah,

and best off all: Seyag Lachocmah - Shetikah
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Unread 05-09-2003, 11:30 AM   #12
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<<<I will try to check some sources, but I think that the obsession with Remazim like these is a deviation from original Chabad, and can bring dire consequences.>>>

Rebayzl, this is a powerful statement. Please explain. I was unaware that there was an "official" chiluk between Chabad and the others WRT the use of remozim. (I once heard that Chabad wasn't into gematria.)

What are the "dire consequences" of which you speak?

Answer must be longer than 25 words.
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Unread 05-09-2003, 12:26 PM   #13
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It is widely known that one of the main differences between Chabad and non-chabd Chasidus is, that in Chabad the Remez is of no importance and the content is the important part, which is why some questions on Pesukim go unanswered in some Ma'amorim.

As for the consequences, it is obvious what some people today are doing based on Remaizm.


Is it more than 25 words?

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Unread 05-09-2003, 12:45 PM   #14
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What does this have to do with Ayin Beis?
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Unread 05-09-2003, 01:04 PM   #15
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Ah
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and best off all: Seyag Lachocmah - Shetikah
but the desert....

Ayin - Beis....

The Gaon that sent me here refused to teach me Ayin Beis
so instead I want to know where the Aleph came from ....

why the Rebbe re-introduced an old idea and where its shoresh is ...obviously the maare mekomos makers did not know...

not what others are doing today....... I gave up such things years ago even for sheva brachos....
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Unread 05-09-2003, 01:08 PM   #16
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He did not Re-introduce an old IDEA. He just used an old and easy-to-remember allusion to stress a point he always made (that the concept of Yemos Hamashiach is not a negation of the current world but a transformation thru introducing G-d into the world).

I see the Gaon was right: Ayin Beis is not for remez-seekers like you...
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Unread 05-09-2003, 01:10 PM   #17
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the Rebbeim use remazim once in a while....when they do...example by MOshe Rabbenu from Megale Amukos from the Rebbe in a sicha for 7 Adar...
it is interesting to see where they took it from.....
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Unread 05-09-2003, 01:11 PM   #18
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even in Ayin Beis he quotes a remez from Shach al HaTorah
for the GAL by Yaakov and Lavan.....
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Unread 05-09-2003, 01:45 PM   #19
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Of course Remez is being used once in a while. But this is not what ayin-beis (and Chasidus chabad) is about.
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Unread 05-09-2003, 05:02 PM   #20
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obviously. but then why have any? There obviously is a reason if one is chosen quoted shem omru and not just made up or not brought at all....
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Unread 05-11-2003, 11:30 PM   #21
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The summary was written by R' Dovid Olidort, Chozer of many years and one of the founders of "vaad Hanachos", writer of most mammorim in the mems etc.

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Unread 05-11-2003, 11:32 PM   #22
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Oy vay - ah machlokes who wrote it...
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Unread 05-11-2003, 11:36 PM   #23
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not every ignorant statement becomes a Machlokos.
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Unread 05-12-2003, 07:49 AM   #24
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True.
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Unread 05-12-2003, 08:16 AM   #25
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I see the Gaon was right: Ayin Beis is not for remez-seekers like you...
I am not a Remez seeker. I seek to understand CHabad Friend's misunderstanding..... and to see why Rebeeim in mamarim see a need to quote previous sources like that rather than just develop the idea lchatchila...
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