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Unread 02-28-2006, 10:53 AM   #51
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farbrengen should also be pnimi to some extent. did you read my first post?
Yes, I read. And I disagree on the idea of absoluteness of all these things, that you count as absolutely necessary. I think that 1. Even "going through the motions" will already have some impact; 2. For the benefit to be pnimi only th personal attitude is the means. Which is, of course, not to downplay great advantages, of all other conditions, except that even if they are not there, something is accomplished.
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Unread 02-28-2006, 11:05 AM   #52
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Exclamation Looking for Podoh b'Shalom & Arba Buvos

Can anyone help me find a site where I can hear in their entirety:
Podoh b'Shalom Nafshi
Arba Buvos

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Unread 02-28-2006, 11:27 AM   #53
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Podoh be Shalom: http://www.kesser.org/audio/podeh-ab.mp3 at
http://www.kesser.org/audio/niggun.html

4 stanzas nigun:
http://www.chabad.org/search/keyword.asp?kid=8657, you have to navigate further through these links.
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Unread 02-28-2006, 11:36 AM   #54
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I remember a farbrengen, where the main speaker in our shul was Rabbi Sholom Ber Gordon, obm. It was very inspirational and so on. There were couple other chassidim present. When R. Gordon left, they continued to farbreng, but switched from English to Yidish, which I don't understand. I asked my friend: What is the point of staying, I don't catch a word. He told me: try anyway. And even if you don't get a word, still you are at the farbrengen and that's the job. I stayed and it was putting my yesh down.
I remember also a story about Chatche Feigin. At a certain moment the Previous Rebbe told him to go, farbreng with the chassidim. He went, gathered chassidim, they sat to farbreng, everybody ready to listen to r.Feigin, but he did not say a word. Later he told that he was thinking something like "I really don't have anything to say! But the Rebbe told me tofarbreng, so I must! But I have nothing to say! But the Rebbe told!..." And it was going in his head for half hour. Those who were present later said, that this was one of the most powerful and influencing farbrengens they ever experienced.

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Unread 02-28-2006, 11:47 AM   #55
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times have changed. besides, catche feigin b'shlichus from the FR is way different that anything today.

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I don't catch a word. He told me: try anyway. And even if you don't get a word, still you are at the farbrengen and that's the job. I stayed and it was putting my yesh down
what is the point? you may get excited at first, but for one who has attended more farbrengens than bathrooms, this is stam nonsense
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Unread 02-28-2006, 01:25 PM   #56
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OK, I'll try in some other words:
It depends, whether you attend farbrengen with the attitude "what farbrengen will do for me?" or "what I'll do for me with the farbrengen?"
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Unread 02-28-2006, 02:40 PM   #57
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a farbrengen isn't much different than a shiur
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Unread 03-23-2006, 12:06 PM   #58
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And in addition to the subject: can everyone benefit?
You can benefit and you will benefit if you want to benefit.
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Unread 03-23-2006, 12:45 PM   #59
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I came across 2 songs that describe what a Chassidishe Farbrengen should be like:
http://www.goinchassidish.com/Audio%20Sampels/farb.asf

http://www.goinchassidish.com/Audio%...brengremix.asf
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Unread 02-11-2009, 09:41 AM   #60
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fabrengens

I know that the rebbe's derech wasn't this way, but I know that it used to be that fabrengens were very, very different. Rather than having a mashpiah or two giving over the fabrengen, it was more of a community endeavor. There was no specific speaker, but rather everyone shared their insights and even nisyonos, and the community would add to the insight, confirm it, talk about it, and comiserate with the nisayon or give uplifting comments or even sometimes a gentle loving rebuke. (punctuated nigunim)

The fabrengens today are so very impersonal, and take a really really talented speaker to reach the hearts of everyone present, so why don't people do more of the old fashioned fabrengen?

I think it would be very good for alot of people.
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Unread 02-11-2009, 09:54 AM   #61
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Indeed it would be. Mods, aren't there threads on this topic already? (Join the rants of noahides and T613.)
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Unread 02-11-2009, 04:43 PM   #62
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Who says that this "wasn't the Rebbe's derech"? A farb. for a Rebbe and for Chassidim are two different things.
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Unread 02-11-2009, 08:48 PM   #63
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so why don't people do more of the old fashioned fabrengen?
I think that there are three kinds of farbrengens:
The Rebbe with the Chassidim.
The Mashpia with his students. (A guest speaker farbrenging is somewhat similar.)
Chassidim farbrenging among themselves.

Each of the three has it's own advantage.

But I agree with you that it would be nice to have more of the third type.
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Unread 02-11-2009, 09:28 PM   #64
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I think that there are three kinds of farbrengens:
The Rebbe with the Chassidim.
The Mashpia with his students. (A guest speaker farbrenging is somewhat similar.)
Chassidim farbrenging among themselves.

Each of the three has it's own advantage.

But I agree with you that it would be nice to have more of the third type.
There is a "guest speaker farbrengen" - and there is a speaking engagement portrayed (or advertised) as a farbrengen. They are not the same.
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Unread 02-11-2009, 10:51 PM   #65
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there is a speaking engagement portrayed (or advertised) as a farbrengen.
Maybe the advertisers consider it somehow like a farbrengen. (Just to be dan lekaf zechus.) But I agree that they are different venues.

And each has its advantage. A guest speaker who stands and speaks to an audience can often accomplish a lot.

Lichvivuva demilsa, I remember when, during the Yom Kippur War, the Rebbe encouraged a lot of farbrengens (to add simcha). He said that it should be, "Umoloh ho'oretz farbrengen es Havaye." (The land should be filled with farbrengen of (or with) Hashem.) He said that everyone should farbreng, and that the older Chasidim were no exception. It was a very freilich time.

For those who may not know, I should add that the Rebbe quoted the words, "Hashem tzilcha." (G-d is your shadow.) And he quoted the Besht's explanation that just like a shadow does what the person does, so too Hashem does what we do. So when we are happy, G-d is happy and helps the Yidden (in the war). (It was during Succos, when there is a special Mitzva to be happy.)

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Unread 02-12-2009, 03:36 AM   #66
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The Mashpia with his students. (A guest speaker farbrenging is somewhat similar.)
I beg to differ. A mashpia knows his students, and they know him. There is a bond between them. A guest speaker is a guest speaker. There is no way that he can properly farbreng with the people gathered, because he doesn't have a personal relationship with them.

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There is a "guest speaker farbrengen" - and there is a speaking engagement portrayed (or advertised) as a farbrengen. They are not the same.
They are- both are speakers, not farbrengens.
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Unread 02-12-2009, 03:49 AM   #67
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I beg to differ. A mashpia knows his students, and they know him. There is a bond between them. A guest speaker is a guest speaker. There is no way that he can properly farbreng with the people gathered, because he doesn't have a personal relationship with them.
I have been to farbrengens with guest speakers, and the speaker and the audience bonded beautifully.

I agree with you that there is an advantage where the Mashpia knows the students.
But sometimes a guest can make a tremendous impact by virtue of his personality, his knowledge, and often by a personal bond.

I think that it's important to remember that we all are united via our souls. And when this unity is revealed, whether by a story, a vort, or a kind word, then the unity becomes revealed and strengthened, the bond becomes revealed and strengthened, and the listeners (and speaker) can become very motivated and inspired in their Yiddishkeit.
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Unread 02-12-2009, 04:31 AM   #68
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They are- both are speakers, not farbrengens.
I think that you mean that when a guest speaker is impersonal, then it is not a close-knit farbrengen.

I think that this may be true sometimes. But as I wrote in the previous post, a guest who makes a personal connection can often make it close-knit.
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Unread 02-12-2009, 11:57 AM   #69
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I think that best Farbrengens are 1 on 1

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Unread 02-12-2009, 07:37 PM   #70
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I once asked someone if the farbrengen he attended was good.
And he answered, "What do you mean by "good?" If it has good results, then the farbrengen was good."

Indeed 1 on 1 can sometimes accomplish amazing results. And even "on mashke" (without mashke).


As an aside, I remember once when the Rebbe farbrenged in 770 on Succos. And because it was Succos, no one ate or drank. And the Rebbe explained how it was possible to farbreng even without mashke.
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Yes, 5734.
Shabbas Hgodol 5741 there was no wine (being Erev Pesach). The Rebbe ate bananas and drank water (and at one point said L'chaim on the water).
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Unread 02-13-2009, 12:49 AM   #72
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Yes, 5734.
I've forgotten much from those years.

But when something comes to mind, it's nizkorim venaasim, it's like I'm there again.

There was a very strong bond between us and the Rebbe. And it enveloped us with everything we did.

Those were sweet and wonderful years.
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Thanks for making me feel like chopped liver.
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Chopped liver can accomplish much good.
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Thanks for making me feel like chopped liver.
noah- what about what was written makes you feel like chopped liver?

emes- chopped liver is gross. I don't know what planet you come from.
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