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According to the AR, women do not have to say Boruch Sheomar, Yishtabach, or anything in between. They do however, have to say the brocho after KS (though interestingly enough, KS itself is optional , though recommended).
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how does one, with so short amount of time for hachano letfilah and tefilah, manage all the parts outlined in kuntres hatfilah?
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Ah, okay.
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No, the reason is because it is a brocho on remembering yetzias mitzrayim, in which women are obligated.
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That I know; I was asking something slightly different. Thanks, though.
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like learn chassidus before starting to daven, remove all other thoughts from your head- takes a while!, saying all the words and thinking about all the inner meanings and peirush hamilos. all those steps take a long time, what about those that dont have so much time to daven? |
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Get up earlier? Say tikkun chatzot?
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Try your best with the time that you have; that's all that Hashem asks of us. Also, if you can't learn Chassidus in the morning before davvenen, learn the night before.
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The question that we've been discussing is what to do if one has an extra 5 minutes in the morning. Obviously, learning for 5 minutes is one option; another might be to stretch out one section or another in davening. The latter becomes more preferable if its only 1-2 minutes; the former is usually preferable if its more like 15. And learning the night before (or learning something on Shabbos to think about during the week) is a very good suggestion. |
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Ah, we agree on something. Finally!
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Shehecheyanu v'kiyamanu v'higiyanu lizman hazeh. NL and MTC finally agree! [insert balloons]
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I would say it depends when that extra 5/15 minutes is. If it means that one can come to shul earlier, then I can perhaps see the logic in learning 15 minutes (or even 5) before davvening. If it means he can stay 15 minutes after the minyan, I would say start with the minyan and davven longer (or learn after davvening), rather that learning by the minyan and starting later, since at least this way one has some semblance of תפילה בציבור. |
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Sometimes I set aside an hour on Shabbos morning and it doesn't help my davening at all - I'm so busy focussing on the learning piece (maybe spending 45 minutes on a gemarrah footnote in the maamir), that the davening isn't really helped in the process. Sometimes it can even be the opposite since I get distracted. Nu, if Noahides and I can agree why isn't Moshiach here? |
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personaly i usualy just reflect on how the pirush hamilos interact with my life. . . vis a vis learning, teshuva, and everything else.
when i actualy do this, it rarely fails to elicit tears. (and of course on the lives of those i love.) although its annoying, and when i daven with a minyan self punishing, because i almost always end up finishing by the time the Sh"tz is davening barech alainu or later. . . which is annoying. then on, after discovering how much the tur goes into this kind of stuff i've been meaning to study the turs comments on this. . . (i remember reading the tur about the laws of tefila for rosh hashana a number of years ago and being extremely surprised with how much material there was beyond what is in the alter rebbe's shulchan aruch. its really an understudied work i think.) |
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and noah, btw, i would suggest that MTC is right, because there is a world of difference between, lets say, thinking about in hashiveinu, regarding turning away from various not so good acts that you have done, and davkah contemplating the inyan of gevura vis a vis hashiva or v'lmalishim. . .
One might think that this is the inyan delt with in this bracha but it is not necesserily true. And then vis a vis the avot bracha, it is true that this bracha is related to chessed, and the next to gevura, but one could easily er in the application of this thought, while contemplating the relationship of avraham yitzchak and yaakov, and how hashem protected and guided them in their wanderings is just about fool proof. (especialy as there are rishonim on all sides of most topics concerning this.) not to mention the inyanim are much better known. likewise as contemplating the sod aspects of these various brachot might lead you to contemplate the wrong shamot, nedukot, etc, which as mentioned elswhere is like destoying entire worlds. So i would tend to suggest that MTC is right. (T613, your comments would be greatly appriciated here.)(thinking of you, do you know which particular siman(im) in the tur discuss the kavanot and the allusions in the text?) |
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For the amidah of Shachris, starting at Siman 112.
In general the Tur has lots of peirush hatfila, with different remozim etc. Each in its own place - tefilla shel chol, Shabbas, Yomim Noroim etc. |
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ktonton, I'm really confused. What exactly is MTC right about, and why? |
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I believe, Ktonton was supporting my assertion that a degree of contemplation on basic perush hamilos is not the "meditation" (hisbonenus) that the Rashab warned against. His basis, I gather, is the Tur's listing of various kavanos in his shulchan aruch.
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Thanks, MTC.
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Here is a great article about that. Dos is Emes!!!
http://www.chabad.org/library/articl...-Hypocrite.htm |
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i will have to learn that, it will probably help improve my davening further. i first noticed it when learning siman 582 in the tur, only to discover, much to my delight, a great deal of additional material beyond what the shulchan aruch and its successors cover. But then i am of the impressiojn that the tur was intended to be, in many ways is, much more comprehensive in its coverage than the shulchan aruch. The shulchan aruch covers laws, but the tur regularly brings down midrashim, aggadot, etc. this explains the numerous simanim in the shulchan aruch which have almost nothing and seem quite superfluous but which are quite rich with material in the tur. (and indeed why some of the simanim even exist at all.) |
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