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Unread 01-21-2003, 12:36 PM   #51
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Unread 01-21-2003, 01:07 PM   #52
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I will follow an ehlicheh yid who has proven credentials. who is also a great writer and a first class 'Mentsch'
hmm. So if it should ever happen that another erlicher yid and professional disagrees with Twerski's approach, you would experience a serious case of cognitive dissonance. And if he writes for Feldheim, has yichus and even longer pei'os, oy vey.
I'll stick with the issues.
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Unread 01-21-2003, 01:36 PM   #53
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Yes, go ahead stick with your 'issues'
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Unread 01-21-2003, 06:37 PM   #54
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there you go, getting personal again ... is this a recurring problem for you? do you find yourself doing this in many of your interactions? does this go back to your childhood, or perhaps to a previous life? It's worth exploring ...

http://www.doctordeluca.com/Library/...epLockstep.htm
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Unread 01-22-2003, 02:42 AM   #55
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ok, i understand some of why you do not want to post the names of the other opposing views, but i think that for arguments sake it would be in your best interest to post them seeing as how we have no idea who they are and i haven't come across a single one that has withstood the test of time (dissenting view point that is)...
thanks...
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Unread 01-23-2003, 12:32 PM   #56
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by the way jude...
it would really help out our disscussion if you could post those dissenting view points (the secular ones).... so that we can see who they are .... thanks...
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Unread 01-23-2003, 12:39 PM   #57
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The second link I posted, mentioned one Dr. who was fired for not towing the "recovery party line." Did you read the links I provided? If this subject is important to people or has piqued their interest, they will do their own research.
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Unread 01-23-2003, 06:27 PM   #58
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how pase...

i did not go to those links as i do not see why it is not worth your time to put the names down why should i bother looking at the links?

i have numerouse resources at my disposal and am able to find out all information about the people if you give me their names....

but as for those of us who are interested in it doing our own reaserch i have... and it seems suspiciouse to me that you are so defensive about this subject... it is not a factuall thing for you... and i have checked out the facts... the 12 step program works for many, not all, but unfortunately there are no other programs with the same recovery rate...

now if you are talking about mask or any of those other programs i would like to see their recovery rate as documented by you...
and yes i have issues with those programs...(see i admit to my stuff )
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Unread 01-23-2003, 06:43 PM   #59
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I find it odd that you asked for information yet did not bother reading the links I provided, one of which included a Dr.'s name. Not very nice to say "not worth my time" when I expressed my reservations which you have chosen to reject.
It sounds to me like it's bit "too factual" for you to be objective. That's understandable.
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Unread 01-23-2003, 07:02 PM   #60
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nope its more like you have taken a stance and need to be able to back it up with out just posting links... the computer that i am on is slow and old and dosen't work right which is why it was not worth while for me to try the links... and yet what amazes me is that you cannot seem to just jot off hand the names of these people who you are using as your basis for everything....
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Unread 01-30-2010, 06:43 AM   #61
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Thanx jude and icewolf770 for sharing your views...
so far if it doesn't offend others view then it is far more welcome...
because posts from you people will be really useful for many others who are in need.
Thank you once again, since i got to know more from you people.

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