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Unread 05-05-2003, 04:43 PM   #1
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The Rebbe "Hidden" Sichos From the Gulf War

available online: http://www.sichosinenglish.org/books...rning-babylon/

Iraqi News of 5763 (2003) in a Sichah of 5751 (1991)

On a wintry Shabbos afternoon right after Gulf War I had begun - Parshas Bo, 5751 (January 19, 1991) - the Rebbe held a farbrengen and addressed the chassidic community assembled at 770 Eastern Parkway, Brooklyn. The chassidim no doubt guessed that he would speak about the war. After all, starting from the previous summer, he had continually referred to a certain prophetic passage in the classic Midrashic text, Yalkut Shimoni. It describes a crisis in the Gulf zone that will cause "nations to challenge each other" and "the entire world to panic and be stricken with consternation." And he had promised that despite the threats from Iraq, once called Babylonia, Eretz Yisrael would be "the safest place on earth."

Still, when the Rebbe started speaking, they were surprised. The Rebbe spoke of destruction being wrought in the innermost rooms of the royal palace, the king of Babylonia fleeing and losing contact with his troops, and his family being sent to hiding places all over the world. Now they were confounded. They had heard the news and nothing like that was happening. The war was going fine, but the Americans had no intention of entering Baghdad, and Saddam and his family were not threatened. What could the Rebbe be talking about?

That Saturday night, the scribes who would memorize the words delivered on Shabbos afternoon sat down to write them up. They understood the quandary, but felt that the Rebbe’s words should be recorded for posterity, regardless. As they were finishing the task, Rabbi Leibl Groner, the Rebbe’s secretary, approached them with a message from the Rebbe: "The talk should not be published at present." However, the Rebbe intimated, there would come a time when it would become relevant.

They saved the text of the talk and published it recently. We have translated excerpts from it in the pages that follow.

After the victory in Gulf War I, the Rebbe spoke about the need for joyous thanksgiving for the miracles G-d had wrought. After the current victory, seeing the prophecies made by the Rebbe that Shabbos afternoon fulfilled in a wondrous manner obviously calls for an expression of thanks and praise. We must, however, look beyond this celebrative acknowledgment and see the greater picture. This entire sequence of events is leading us to the time when, to recall the passage from Yalkut Shimoni cited above, Mashiach will stand on the roof of the Beis HaMikdash and announce: "Humble ones, the time for your redemption has come."


Sichos In English, Erev Shabbos HaGadol, 5763 (2003)
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From the Second Sichah of Shabbos Parshas Bo, 5751 (1991)

Babylon is the antithesis of Jerusalem. This explains the events that transpired most recently. Babylon attempted to harm Jerusalem ("May this evil not be repeated!"), but did not succeed. On the contrary, may the victories proceed one after another until the truest and most meaningful victory, the coming of the Future Redemption.

At the very beginning of the war, the royal palace was destroyed. Not only did the ruination and devastation reach its innermost chambers, but the king’s stability and power were annihilated and he lost contact with his troops. All signs of permanence and communication were disrupted. Those who were left there were dispatched elsewhere, for fear of their lives.

He himself is not established in one location. He is wandering from place to place. And even in whatever place he is immediately located, he is agitated and not at rest. He is not there by choice, but only because he realizes that his survival depends on his being there, [although] he realizes that the situation is far from good for him. He was told that there was no option but to be in such and such a place. He sent the members of his household to faraway places. All this is plain to see.

It is clear, then, that there is no reality to his existence. (One lesson that emerges from this is that people should not be made to fear.) He must be lent [from Above] an appearance of real existence, in order that protection against him should be won by natural means. In truth, however, his existence has no palpable reality, as witness the uprooting of the royal palace.

The Babylonians themselves admit this and it has all been publicized - though there are things that they are hiding, such as all the destruction and damage that has been wrought. Nevertheless, the matter has been publicized in a far-reaching manner. Not all of this can be seen, but word of it has reached a number of individuals and they are making it all public.

Above all, this episode provides us with a lesson in our service of G-d.

Moreover - and this is also of fundamental importance - the fulfillment of the prophecy has begun: "There will be a slaughter for G-d in Batzra." There has been a conquest and a victory, and may there yet be a true and complete victory - the true and complete Redemption. [The present victory is especially evidenced by the fact that] what has been destroyed is not only the capital city, but the capital of the capital city, namely, the king’s palace. The Sages teach that "kingship on earth resembles Kingship in Heaven." It is thus significant that the destruction overtook the royal palace, and that the palace is situated in Babylonia, particularly in Batzra (Basra), as history records.

The fact that knowledge of the above has reached every Jew indicates that it conveys a lesson applicable to everyone’s Divine service. Firstly, it should increase one’s bitachon, one’s sense of trust and security, for bitachon is a path in Divine service. This applies particularly to the Jews living in Eretz Yisrael, "the land which the L-rd, your G-d, seeks out; the eyes of the L-rd, your G-d, are constantly focused upon it," in every place and at all times, even during the era of exile and even in the darkness of exile. Despite the redoubled darkness of which we read this week, "all the Children of Israel [will have] light in their dwellings," with peace of mind and physical well-being. The dwellings of the Jewish people in exile will be in Goshen, the choicest part of the land of Egypt [...].

Most importantly: May all of the above lead, not to intricate and scholarly interpretations, but, plainly and simply, to the true and ultimate Redemption. At that time Eretz Yisrael will be in a state of fullness. It goes without saying that there will be fullness in a spiritual sense; this is even implied by the very name Jerusalem, which comprises the roots of the words Shlaymus Hayirah, signifying a complete fear of G-d. The new development, however, is that there will also be fullness in a physical sense, without worry, without battles or difficulties. [...]

Moreover, [the destruction of Babylonia] will lead to fullness in the realm of holiness. As our Sages declared, "If this one (Jerusalem) is full, this one (Caesarea) is empty." Correspondingly, "Tyre received fullness only because of the destruction of Jerusalem." It thus follows that the destruction of Tyre [and its like] leads to the fullness of Jerusalem. [...]
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From the Third Sichah of Shabbos Parshas Bo, 5751 (1991)


...The importance of the entire conflict is that it should provide us with a directive in our service of G-d. As is told in the name of elder chassidim (or according to certain sources, in the name of one of the Rebbeim), a war was waged between several gentile nations with the intent that a new path could be taught in the service of G-d. Similarly, the war in our times is intended to teach a new path in our Divine service. (In fact, the path already existed beforehand; now it is being learned.)

The name Babylonia (in the Holy Tongue: Bavel) is associated with the concept of bilbul, confusion - the confusion that the Evil Inclination introduces into our Divine service. [This is the personal dimension of the war against Babylonia - the battle against this confusion.] Its underlying purpose is that every individual should master it. G-d will help - but only help - in this endeavor. Our own exertion is crucial, so that we will not benefit from "the bread of shame," but rather will carry out our Divine service on our own initiative and in this manner become G-d’s partner in creation.

And in addition to the spiritual assistance G-d grants, He will, as Rambam states, also provide all the material matters a person needs to enable him to be free to study Torah and observe mitzvos with peace of mind and gladness of heart. [...]

It is written, "Israel is a youth and I love him." For G-d, every Jew is a young child, and it is a father’s nature that when his child cries out for a particular thing, even if that thing is of no particular value (and provided it is not harmful), the father will hurry and try in every way to fulfill the child’s needs - i.e., what the child presently thinks his needs are, before he is educated and trained to desire things of true value. Likewise, when a Jew feels pressured and confused because of a lack in material things, G-d hastens to provide him with all his needs.

As to the destruction of Babylonia and the palace of its king [...]: May the nations that accomplished it succeed and complete the task and proceed from strength to strength, and help bring the Jewish people back to Eretz Yisrael. [...] That time will see the fulfillment of the Divine promise: "I shall then make the nations pure of speech so that they will all call upon the Name of G-d and serve Him with a single purpose," with the coming of Mashiach.
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Other than the ruach hakoidesh, what are we to make of these "hidden" sichos?
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However, the Rebbe intimated, there would come a time when it would become relevant.
the Rebbe intimated this by saying "od chazon la'moed."

This phrase is found in the navi Chavakuk 2:3. On these words Rashi comments: "In the future, at the end of years, a prophet will arise who will reveal a vision as to when the time of the fall of Bavel and the redemption of Israel will happen."
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As I have posted previously, my 4-year old son often tells of having had a dream about Moshiach. Last night he had such a dream, and he said that Moshiach said he would come tomorrow. I probed a bit further, and he told me that he could "hear his footsteps in the elevator"(!?)

I just hope the elevator is going up.......
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Bodyguard Tells of Saddam and Sons' Life on the Run

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the Rebbe intimated this by saying "od chazon la'moed."

This phrase is found in the navi Chavakuk 2:3. On these words Rashi comments: "In the future, at the end of years, a prophet will arise who will reveal a vision as to when the time of the fall of Bavel and the redemption of Israel will happen."
So Jude, when is the time? Did the Rebbe give a clear nevuah? By the way, if you say the Rebbe gave a nevuah on something, and it later turns out to be false, does that mean the Rebbe is ch"v a novi sheker?
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Jude, when did the Rebbe say "Od Chazon Lamoed" and to whom?

If I recall correctly this was already asked of you in another thread and has gone unanswered.
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How does one know if something is considered "nevuah"?
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Hayitzchaki - it was answered long ago in another thread

http://www.chabadtalk.com/forum/show...light=gulf+war

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And so it was, on the Shabbat immediately after Purim and the ceasefire that the Rebbe addressed his Chassidim, speaking about the miracles and wonders and their meaning. And then he wished success to the American forces in their mission in Basra.

That was quite puzzling. In fact, the Rebbe had spoken much about Basra at the beginning of the war, on January 19th. He had quoted the dialogue from Isaiah the prophet (Isaiah 63:1):

"Who is this coming from Edom, with soiled garments from Basra? This one who is majestic in his clothing, girded with his abundant strength?"

The Rebbe was encouraging the American troops to finish off the job. But when it came to publishing that talk, he told the transcribers to hold off. "The time for this has not yet come," he informed them.

(The Rebbe used a phrase, Od chazon lamoed, which originally appears in G-d's words to Habbakuk when He tells him that the prophecy concerning the downfall of Nebuchadnezzar -- the Assyrian King after whom Saddam proclaims to model himself -- is not yet complete.)

And now, five weeks later and two days after the ceasefire, the Rebbe was speaking as though his advice had been followed and a finish-it-off campaign had already begun.
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You are quoting someone else who is quoting with no source.
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Y.Y. Jacobson said he heard that the rebbe said it to R L Groner, Shabbos Bo 5751. And no, I'm not calling R' Groner up for you. I'll let you do it yourself.
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As for the reliability of this source, this most be checked out first:

http://www.hydepark.co.il/hydepark/t...opic_id=515763
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Y.Y. Jacobson said he heard that the rebbe said it to R L Groner, Shabbos Bo 5751. And no, I'm not calling R' Groner up for you. I'll let you do it yourself.

does yy jacobsohn have a CHEZKAS KASHRUS???
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nice gez, questions chezkas kashrus while you've destroyed your own.

neither of those two have a chezkas kashrus.
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Look, he wrote about himself that one day he decided not to Daven because he was "Angry" at Hashem. Such an Honest guy will never lie.
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how did his question destroy his credibility?
how about a civil response - "yyj did not hear it firsthand"

btw - simon jacobson also thinks it was l. groner

hey, your skepticism makes me wonder ... how many shidduchim were clinched when l. groner told them the Rebbe gave his haskama and bracha? Do you think those couples should reconsider?
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Jude, how many shiduchim in this world were made without a blessing of the Rebbe and the couples lived happily ever after?

Did you do a statsitical study comparing the marriages of those who got the Rebbe's blessings and those who did not?!
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ah, so basically you're saying the heck with the Rebbe's blessings
for no study has yet proven that a tzadik's blessings are worth anything
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No, I am saying that the fact that people got married based on answers they got from LG do not dissolve their marriage.
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And of course "shomer petaim Hashem" applies in a great measure in such cases...
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Indeed!

And the more of a Pesi you are the better it works.
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hey, your skepticism makes me wonder ... how many shidduchim were clinched when l. groner told them the Rebbe gave his haskama and bracha? Do you think those couples should reconsider?
And do what - ask Igros?
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The Gantze makor for Od Chazon Lemoed is from the Jacobsons -

My question is not about leibl groner’s chezkas kashrus – but about Jacobson’s!

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