Items Belonging to or Handled by the Rebbeim

[Jude]

Could we have some sources and discussion about how to regard those items belonging to or handled by the Rebbeim (or other tzadikim)?

for example:
chasanim use the Rebbe's siddur on the day of the wedding
the Rebbetzin gave R' Bistritzky the scarf/handkerchief (?) used by the Tzemach Tzedek, for him to take to E.Y. for his wedding
the items in the library
shirayim of non-Chabad Rebbeim

lekach the Rebbe gave
dollars the Rebbe gave
water from the mikva the Rebbe used, before anybody else went in
kos shel bracha from the Rebbe and bottles of mashke from the Rebbe
matza from the Rebbe

[hishtatchus]

I heard it's a problem to give it to a Goy- i.e. you can't sell Mashke from the Rebbe for Pesach.

[mendelp]

Originally posted by hishtatchus
I heard it's a problem to give it to a Goy- i.e. you can't sell Mashke from the Rebbe for Pesach.

The Rebbe says that explicitly

[donny]

So what should be done about Leckach?

[Asher]

Originally posted by hishtatchus
i.e. you can't sell Mashke from the Rebbe for Pesach.

Then there should be no mashke from the Rebbe left after the very first Pesach following the giving of these mashke. Same goes for lekach.

[hishtatchus]

the Lekach is actually made from honey given to Machon Chana. As for the Mashke, yes, that was my point. There shouldn't be any.

[Jude]

is mashke=kos shel bracha?
btw - haven't heard a single source yet, Anybody?

[masbir]

I dont get your original question what is your are looking a source for? If it holy? if it has healing power?


For sure its holy, see LS v, 32, Nissan.

About not selling them because they are holy, see LS 16 parshes Bo.

About left over from the AR wine, see in the Rebbes hagodeh.

[Jude]

are there sources in nigleh for this? sources non-Chasidim would respect as to why a Chasid would cherish being able to use the Rebbe's siddur, or have some item of the Rebbeim?

this reminds me of the story (source?) about one of the Chabad Rebbeim going through a bunch of items to see which were authentic holy items and which not. He separated them into two piles.
The Chasidim repeated this with his son, and he divided them the same way, thus proving that items belonging to Rebbeim have some intrinsic holiness which holy people can detect.

There's also the story about ? with tefillin, where he thought there was something wrong with him, since he didn't sense the kedusha of the special tefillin, when actually, the special parshiyos weren't in them.

But these stories, as important as they are, are anecdotes. Not hard and fast sources in nigleh.

[masbir]

Now I get your question!

The Rebbe always added when giving dollars from his Shvers Kupoh the CHAZAL (pesochim 212 a) "Kol hanotel pruteh ma'iyov Misborech" (=whoever takes a pruteh from Job will became blessed)

[Jude]

Iyov? what does the Chazal mean?

[masbir]

Please explain your question clearler.

[Jude]

it's hard to express it clearer! What peruta? Why Iyov? Why blessed?Why did the Rebbe say it? the whole thing ...

[masbir]

Let me attempt again: There was a man who lived in Utz, his name was Job (in Hebrew Iyov), he was G-D fearing and a Just man, he was a Tzadik. [there is a whole book in the bible dedicated to the trials and tribulation of this man, but it is not the focus of my post]

About this rightous man, the Gemara says that his blessings where in all of his belongings, so if a man took a pruteh [the name of lowest coin in Talmudic times] from him, he would be blessed and prosper.

Now, this shows that the belongings of Tzadik carry some blessed powers within them, so that even without any verbal blessing from Iyuv, just having his belongings, carried the blessings of GD in them.

Now, whenever the Rebbe used to contribute from his Holy shver's Kupeh (account) a symbolic amount of twenty dollars or even a dollar to a big project, the Rebbe used this Maamer to illustrate the greatness of the slightest amount of a tzadik

[Jude]

wow, what a clear explanation
now isn't it odd that we learn this from Iyov? Like what about the Avos? what about Moshe Rabeinu? Dovid Ha'Melech? Why Iyov?

[rebayzl]

I think because he was Goy, the only way he was able to give over Kedusha was tru this. Dovid/Moshe/Ovos did it thru TEACHING.

[masbir]

The same idea with a different twist.

To the Ovos you went for divine inspiration, only to Iyov the went for material welfare.

[Jude]

still seems very odd, especially when according to some, Iyov didn't even exist!

[bocaj]

Jude, see R. Emanuel Shochat's book Chassidic Dimensions, pages 96-98 and the extensive notes there for a host of sources in chazal

[masbir]

I dont have the book, can you post the refrences?

[masbir]

Another source is the ancient custom (brought in Rabeinu Becha'i shmos and in his Shilchon shel Arba shar alef, as a minhog from ancient times) that they used the table they fed the poor, as their coffin

[bocaj]

Yerushalmi Moed katan 3:1 (see Lik. Sich. 4:p.1096); Yer. Moed katan 3:2 re shirayim; Bereshis Rabbo 39:11 etc.

[pretzel999]

Originally posted by rebayzl
I think because he was Goy, the only way he was able to give over Kedusha was tru this. Dovid/Moshe/Ovos did it thru TEACHING.

First of all Iyov was no 'goy' even according to the sources he was before matan toiroh.......he was no more a 'goy' the Shem or Ever so he surely knew da's koinoi. Secondly he was giving over 'brocha' birkas hashem hee taashir...

[untervegens]

Originally posted by Asher


Then there should be no mashke from the Rebbe left after the very first Pesach following the giving of these mashke. Same goes for lekach.

Actually there is a bottle of Mashke from the Rebbe still around: One of the goyshe nurses who attended to the Rebbe after the stroke asked the Rebbe for a bottle of Mashke as Segula, and the Rebbe gave him a bottle! There are people who know this Goy and could get Mashke from the Rebbe today!

Another source about chafetzim of Tzadikim: The Yerushalmi (I think, I don't remember the exact source, have to search for it, maybe someone else could help me out), that one of the sages had the stick of Rabbi Meir and the stick taught him "daas".

The concept of holyness in material things is very Torah'dig indeed. When we perform a Mitzva with an object of Olam Haze it becomes holy. Our gashmiusdike things which we use as "divrei horeshus" don't become holy. But a Tzadik, whose actions are all serving Hashem "bechol drochecho do'ehu", even objects which by us are considered "divrei horeshus" are holy.

The Frierdiker Rebbe wrote special labels for various objects from the previous Rebbeim which were in his posession and are now in the AGUCH library, and were displayed a few times in the last years.

The story about Rebbeim selecting holy items from non holy items is about the Rebbe Rashab and his son the Frierdiker Rebbe about the Ksovim of the Gniza hachersonis, but I'm not sure about the authenticy of that story.

The story about Tefilin (if it's the same one) is printed in the beginning of Toras Sholom p. 5 about Tefilin from Reb Zushe which came to Reb Levi Yitzchok of Barditchev.

[masbir]

Another source about chafetzim of Tzadikim: The Yerushalmi (I think, I don't remember the exact source, have to search for it, maybe someone else could help me out), that one of the sages had the stick of Rabbi Meir and the stick taught him "daas".

This is the first refrence in bocaj post, moad katan 3:1

(Thanks Bocaj)