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Unread 08-27-2008, 06:32 PM   #1
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Thumbs up "Ot ot kumt Moshiach" -- Even by the Litvish!

Here is an article from an Israeli weekly:
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From "Orot Hashabbat" weekly Torah sheet of Beer Sheva, 15 Menachem Av 5768

A dream which has been publicized in recent days is stirring up excitement among the Charedi public, and its words have awakened numerous echoes and excitement in Eretz Yisrael and in the world. Rabbi Shachne Zohn, shlita, one of the elder tzaddikim of Yerushalayim (close to 100 years of age), who had been a student of the Chofetz Chayim, came to the homes of the Rabbis Elyashiv and Kanievski and told them

"I saw the Chofetz Chayim clearly in a dream, and he told me to go and publicize to the world that the Moshaich is already alive in the world and we need to make an effort to speed up the complete revelation of Moshiach Tzidkeinu. I dreamed this twice, and he demanded of me to tell the dream that the Geulah is close and we need to prepare to receive Melech Hamoshiach."

From the home of R' Kanievski came the following words: "the source of the story is correct and it is a mitzvah to publicize."
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Rav Benayhu Shmueli, Rosh Yeshiva of "Nahar Shalom" in Jerusalem comments on the dream and "ot ot kumt Moshiach" (English subtitles):

http://26.hashem1.net/mm/ravbnayahu20080803eng.wmv
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Unread 08-27-2008, 10:15 PM   #3
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What does it mean that the source is correct? That he really dreamt it?
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Unread 08-27-2008, 11:55 PM   #4
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Heard from Rabbi Brevda:
"People have often said that the Geulah/Moshiach is 'just around the corner'. This is absolutely true. But no one knows which corner."


/ slight paraphrase
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Does it matter which corner? The ikar is that it's the next corner that we will collectively turn.
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Does it matter which corner? The ikar is that it's the next corner that we will collectively turn.
And which corner will that be?
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The next one that we collectively turn.
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And which corner will that be?
BS"D

When I figure it out I will reveal myself ! But my GPS doesn't seem to have that information available......
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Oy v'oy lanu im atah melech hamoshiach!
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The next one that we collectively turn.
And what if we turn it, and Moshiach hasn't come?
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Right now we are in the middle of turning that corner. As soon as we have fully turned it, then Moshiach will come. Y'aleh!
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It's like saying that the king is behind the door, and all one needs to do is to open it. Yes, but one still needs to want to open it and then actually open it.
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Whoever said that we don't need to want Moshiach? I was just saying that he is around the corner...or behind the door, whichever works for you.
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Whoever said that we don't need to want Moshiach? I was just saying that he is around the corner...or behind the door, whichever works for you.
Big difference, imho.
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You're right, there is. But the essence of the idea is the same.
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Interview with this R' Shachne Zohn in Mishpacha magazine: http://emet8.com/our_Redemption_is_near.pdf

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Rav Shachne Zohn, shlita, is one of the original talmidim of the Chofetz Chaim and one of the most veteran mashgichim of our generation. He is also the person whose recent dream has taken the chareidi public by storm. In a special conversation with Mishpacha, he recounts the details of his dream, explains why it is clear that the dream should be accorded veracity, delineates what every Jew should be doing, and talks about his own preparations for Mashiach's arrival.

“I saw the Chofetz Chaim. He told me that I must spread the word throughout the world that the Geulah is drawing near and that we must prepare for it. Everyone must do Teshuvah for his sins with a broken heart.”

"Is it the journalist?" Rav Shachne Zohn asks, raising his eyes a bit. The Filipino worker who stays with the Rav nods his head. Rav Shachne motions me to sit. "One of the elderly tzaddikim of Jerusalem had a dream that the Geulah [Redemption] is approaching. He's a quiet, modest person who wouldn't have told anyone about his dream. The Chofetz Chaim demanded that he recount his dream, and that is why he has done so," Rav Tzvi Meir Zilberberg mentioned during a shiur he gave two weeks ago.

Rav Tzvi Meir didn't add any details. Rumors spread throughout the chareidi public that the Chofetz Chaim had appeared in a dream to one of his last remaining talmidim, telling him, "You should know that Mashiach will arrive before Rosh HaShanah." The next day, the rumors reported, the Chofetz Chaim appeared again and repeated, "Go spread the word that Mashiach will arrive before Rosh HaShanah." Some people attributed the quote to Rav Dov Yaffe, who also mentioned this incident during a talk in his yeshivah. Others quoted Rebbetzin Batsheva Kanievsky, wife of Rav Chaim Kanievsky, who stated that the source of this story is genuine, and it's a mitzvah to publicize it.

The dream, they said, was recounted by Rav Shachne Zohn, a talmid of the Chofetz Chaim and one of the most veteran mashgichim of our time, a former Rosh Yeshivah in Torah Vodaath. According to various estimations, he is over ninety years old, though he refrained from revealing his exact age.

Right at the start of his conversation with Mishpacha, soon after I introduce myself, Rav Shachne Zohn verifies that his venerated Rebbe had indeed appeared to him in a dream. "In a dream, I saw the Chofetz Chaim. He told me that I must spread the word throughout the world that the Geulah is drawing near, and that we must prepare for it. Everyone must do teshuvah for his sins, with a broken heart."

When I try asking him questions, he points to his hearing aid and tells me, "I don't hear so well. Write down your questions and I'll answer them." He motions toward a black Parker pen lying on the table, and thus begins our interview. All the questions asked in writing; the answers recorded and transcribed for our readers.



They say that during the dream, you were told that Mashiach would come before Rosh HaShanah?
"He didn't say a time," he answers firmly, "Nor did he give me any specific os, sign, for the time immediately preceding his arrival."

So what is meant by the words "the Geulah is near"?
"That it's approaching, and therefore each and every one of us is obligated to do teshuvah for his sins."

Did he tell you which issues one must emphasize when doing teshuvah?
"Everyone knows for what he must do teshuvah. It's not a general issue; it's a personal issue. Each person must know that the Geulah is approaching and he must do teshuvah."

Did the dream include any special message for bnei Torah?
"The dream did not have any specific instructions for bnei Torah. But it's well known; Rav Yisrael Salanter used to say "For bnei Torah, the main teshuvah is strengthening their Torah learning, to learn more, in a better and stronger way."

Was that same dream repeated?
"I dreamt it twice, and it's clear to me that it's a chalom emes, a dream that must be accorded veracity. I have no doubts about it."

In the dream, did the Chofetz Chaim appear the same way you remembered him during his lifetime?
"Yes, yes, and that fact has significance as well. But this is not the time to get into it."

He thinks for a moment. "I'll tell you even more. If I hadn't been commanded to recount this, I would have kept the story to myself. But since I was commanded to publicize it, and the dream occurred twice, and there are other simanim [signs] which the Gemara explains as pointing to a dream's veracity, I deviated from my usual practice, at the instructions of the Chofetz Chaim.

Is this the first time he has appeared to you in a dream?
Rav Shachne's lips are moving, but his voice is inaudible. I make every effort to hear his words, but he waves his hand. I try to repeat the question, but receive no answer. I understand that this question will not be getting an answer. Instead of remaining silent, Rav Zohn is reviewing his Torah learning.

Do you remember where you saw the Chofetz Chaim in the dream? Was he in his home? In the Radin beis medrash? In the street?
"I saw him clearly."

And where was he?
"I saw the Chofetz Chaim clearly. He was speaking to me clearly, as I remember him speaking when he was alive, and he told me to publicize those words."

There was no answer to my question. (Later, when my tape recorder has been turned off, Rav Shachne Zohn tells me something that explains his refusal to answer. "I am publicizing that which I was told. As for what I saw, I was not told to publicize that.")

It is known that the Chofetz Chaim had a special set of clothing that he saved for greeting Mashiach. Are you also preparing for his arrival?
"What kind of question is that? We have always been prepared for it."

I am referring to the Rav's personal preparations.
"In the Har Zvi shul in Jerusalem, I established a "Kodshim Kollel," where the avreichim study the laws of korbanos, because the Chofetz Chaim said that our generation is called the "ikvesa d'Meshicha," the generation of Mashiach's arrival. That means that we must learn all the inyanim of the Beis HaMikdash."
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