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Unread 07-03-2008, 10:19 PM   #26
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I can't say this any better than T6 just did. But just so that its clear what I think about the matter: within a handful of posts, you have demonstrated what I was referring to earlier. Your criticizm of this poster is nothing more substantial than "it isn't Chabad enough." Like T6 said, "that attitude bothers some of us."
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Unread 07-03-2008, 10:50 PM   #27
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I would also add: In my humble opinion, the Rebbe would have encouraged shiurim like this - ...
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Unread 07-03-2008, 11:51 PM   #28
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Why do people get so upset if the maalos (qualities) of Chabad are pointed out?

Ein hochi nami, praise shiurim about Moshiach even if the shiur is not from a Chabad perspective. But then feel free to point out on this forum that there is good, and there is better.
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Unread 07-04-2008, 09:22 AM   #29
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I don't think that is what has happened here. Whatever.
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Unread 07-04-2008, 07:02 PM   #30
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There is however, this tendency by some, to knock everyone else.
I disagree with knocking any effort of talking about geulah, even talking about chitzoiniustike aspects of it (or whatever). I disagree with knocking any discussion in Torah, however limited, or anything positive in general -- unless there is an effort to keep the discussion limited (when the limited nature of discussion becomes a shita in itself), which I did not see in the poster.
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Unread 07-05-2008, 11:23 PM   #31
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Why do people get so upset if the maalos (qualities) of Chabad are pointed out?
Chabad has many unique maalos that no other group has. It is also okay to admit that Chabad has its unique problems as well. People don't like people who act like they think they are better than anyone else.
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Ein hochi nami, praise shiurim about Moshiach even if the shiur is not from a Chabad perspective. But then feel free to point out on this forum that there is good, and there is better.
And than there is best, which would be recognition that perhaps Chabad is not the be-all and end-all of everything.
On the words Gozer Yam Suf L'gzorim, the Medrash tells us that the water split into twelve paths, for the twelve shevatim. Why did each need its unique path? The Gra, for one, tells us the walls between the paths were glass- so that they would be able to see each others path and realize that although they were on a different path, all the paths lead to the same place- the place where they would receive the Torah.

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Unread 07-06-2008, 02:29 AM   #32
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The Rebbe worked very hard on spreading the wellsprings of Chassidus. Because it is very important.

We can't judge people and say that this person is better than the other. Hashem is the Judge, not us. But we can say that Chassidus is very important, and that people who don't learn Chassidus are lacking something very important.

But as I mentioned before, it is important to do this in a respectful and loving way. And the Rebbe encouraged us to praise someone when they do a Mitzvah. But at the same time, the Rebbe wanted us to spread Chassidus, because it is very important.
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Unread 07-29-2008, 04:42 PM   #33
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It's definitely a step in the right direction, but its still baby steps--they want to bring the geulah but where is the mention of MOSHIACH (as in "al yadei Moshiach Tzidkeinu").
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