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Unread 12-24-2001, 11:47 PM   #1
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Must Moshiach be born on Tisha B'Av?

Is it true that Moshiach must be born on Tisha B'Av? If yes, how can ppl say the Rebbe is Moshiach?
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Unread 12-24-2001, 11:48 PM   #2
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1. The first potential Moshiach was born on Tisha B'av (i.e. right after the Churban). The Rebbe explains that even though this kid was only 1 day old at the time, Hashem could have made him Moshiach through a miracle - if the Yidden would merit. But, unfortunately... we didn't.

Future Moshiach's don't need to be born on Tisha B'av, the only requirement is that there should be one (1) potential Moshiach in each generation. It doesn't matter when they are born. That's why if you look in Rambam about the requirement to be Moshiach you see no mention about being born on Tisha Ba'v.

2. According to Chassidus, even though Moshiach is not physically born on Tisha B'av, he does receive special spiritual powers every year on Tisha Ba'v.

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By the way: Take the Rebbe's birthday, and count approx. 9 months backwards... guess which day you arrive at?

[do the same thing to the Alter Rebbe's birthday, and you arrive at interesting results... ]
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Unread 03-09-2003, 09:02 AM   #3
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The Rebbe explains that this isn't meant to be taken litterally, but the meaning of moshiach's birthday on Tisha B'av is the ideao 'Mazoloi Goiver' that on Tisha B'av there's even more potential for moshiach's arrival!
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Unread 07-19-2003, 11:32 PM   #4
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Is it true that Moshiach must be born on Tisha B'Av?

Reply: Obviosly Moshiach does not have to be born on Tisha Bav!
Because the Rebbe is Moshiach. If you have something to say on this topic you should go on the contreversy
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Unread 07-19-2003, 11:50 PM   #5
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Shabsai Tzvi Yemach Shmoi was born on Tisha BeAv (that coincided with Shabbos, actually) and people took it as an obvious Messianic sign, but Moshiach does not have to be born on Tisha BeAv.
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Unread 05-11-2006, 02:46 PM   #6
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actuallay nine months before yud alef nisan is around tishea beav!
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Unread 05-11-2006, 05:20 PM   #7
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actuallay nine months before yud alef nisan is around tishea beav!
Nine monthss before 11 Nissan is Tammuz, not Av.but 273 days after Gimmel Tammuz is around 11Nissan;
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Unread 05-11-2006, 06:31 PM   #8
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Probably meant a leap year...
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Unread 05-11-2006, 07:26 PM   #9
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The first potential Moshiach was born on Tisha B'av (i.e. right after the Churban). The Rebbe explains that even though this kid was only 1 day old at the time, Hashem could have made him Moshiach through a miracle - if the Yidden would merit. But, unfortunately... we didn't.

Future Moshiach's don't need to be born on Tisha B'av, the only requirement is that there should be one (1) potential Moshiach in each generation. It doesn't matter when they are born. That's why if you look in Rambam about the requirement to be Moshiach you see no mention about being born on Tisha Ba'v.
Can you give the source where the Rebbe explains this,
Because if so, then there is no need for:
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Take the Rebbe's birthday, and count approx. 9 months backwards... guess which day you arrive at?
Call me crazy, but I was always a little uncomfortable discussing this, (especially when it's announced from the pulpit in public Farbrengens in 770)
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Unread 05-12-2006, 06:04 AM   #10
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Is it true that Moshiach must be born on Tisha B'Av?

Reply: Obviosly Moshiach does not have to be born on Tisha Bav!
Because the Rebbe is Moshiach. If you have something to say on this topic you should go on the contreversy
If the gemara on M being born on 9Av does not have to be literal, does that mean that other gemarot (like, "his name is Menachem") may not be literal???
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Unread 05-12-2006, 07:10 AM   #11
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Ask better: Why does only "his name is Menachem" have to be literal, and not "his name is Chanina"?
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Unread 05-12-2006, 07:13 AM   #12
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actuallay nine months before yud alef nisan is around tishea beav!
Chalk it up to my stupidity, but I do not begin to see the point, nor the connection to anything...
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Unread 05-12-2006, 07:28 AM   #13
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Is it true that Moshiach must be born on Tisha B'Av? If yes, how can ppl say the Rebbe is Moshiach?
CHAZAL say that on 9 Menachem-Av the day of the Churban -- Nolad Moshian shel Yisroel

Meforshim explain that what CHAZAL say is not in the literal sense, that he was actually born on that day;

but that from then on (from 9 Menachem-Av the day of the Churban), the special Neshomo of Moshiach will come down in each generation till the time of the Final revelation of Moshiach.
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Unread 05-12-2006, 07:30 AM   #14
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Which meforshim (not arguing, asking)?
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Unread 05-12-2006, 07:41 AM   #15
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Which meforshim (not arguing, asking)?


not the yefei einayim printed in the standrd Midrash - but

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Unread 05-12-2006, 07:53 AM   #16
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Chalk it up to my stupidity, but I do not begin to see the point, nor the connection to anything...
there was only one Adar which makes it 8 months... and why Moshe/Eliyahu would we want to think the Rebbe 's was normal !
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Unread 05-12-2006, 07:54 AM   #17
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see Chassidus based on Yoma 54b (?)
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Unread 05-12-2006, 07:55 AM   #18
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and that gemara in Yevamos
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No, 5662 was 2 Adars (not that it makes any difference).
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Unread 05-12-2006, 09:10 AM   #20
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chose poor online converter then.. not that it does....

s'like Kisvay Bichovsky and that would be flatttery...
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Ask better: Why does only "his name is Menachem" have to be literal, and not "his name is Chanina"?
The Ches of Chanina is included in .Menachem (and Moshiach).
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Unread 05-12-2006, 12:35 PM   #22
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chose poor online converter then.. not that it does....

s'like Kisvay Bichovsky and that would be flatttery...
what language is this?
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Unread 05-12-2006, 01:26 PM   #23
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The Ches of Chanina is included in .Menachem (and Moshiach).
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Take the Rebbe's birthday, and count approx. 9 months backwards... guess which day you arrive at?
I find this logic hard to follow. How could the Rebbe have been conceived on 9 Av, if marital relations are then ossur?
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Unread 08-10-2008, 12:36 PM   #25
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CHAZAL say that on 9 Menachem-Av the day of the Churban -- Nolad Moshian shel Yisroel

Meforshim explain that what CHAZAL say is not in the literal sense, that he was actually born on that day;

but that from then on (from 9 Menachem-Av the day of the Churban), the special Neshomo of Moshiach will come down in each generation till the time of the Final revelation of Moshiach.
On the other hand, it should be pointed out the as opposed to many other midrashim, this one has happens to have Halachik ramafications...
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