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Unread 02-23-2011, 05:33 PM   #1
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Double-sided black retzuos

I have heard and my rabbi has seen many people buying these retzuos recently. Is there a special inyan (from Halachic or Kabbalistic) perspective, or are they just for decorative purpose? Has anyone had good/bad experience with them?
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Unread 02-23-2011, 07:19 PM   #2
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There is no special inyan, besides the additional cost.
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Unread 02-23-2011, 09:21 PM   #3
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Is there any problem adopting a new minhog in such a mitzva as tefillin?
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Unread 02-23-2011, 10:03 PM   #4
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I found an opinion in Rambam that says that this method is actually preferred. My question is: is it arrogant for his chassidim to adopt this hiddur, if their Rebbe did not?
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Unread 02-23-2011, 11:56 PM   #5
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A tshuva on this inyan from Rabbi Wozner.
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Unread 02-24-2011, 12:11 AM   #6
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צא וראה מה הציבור נוהג בה, ונהוג

Thanks for that excellent tshuva, T613. The above quote especially sticks out.
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Unread 02-24-2011, 07:36 PM   #7
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Thanks, T613.
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Unread 07-18-2011, 09:48 PM   #8
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Does anyone know if any Lubavitch rabbonim addressed this issue?

As a possibly separate question: if some activity is happening in a community, and the rav of the community does not condemn it (halachically), does this mean he is ok with it?
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Unread 07-19-2011, 07:30 AM   #9
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Depends on the issue. And yes, I see it as a seperate question, as I see no reason why a Rav should "condemn" these retzuos.
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Unread 07-19-2011, 08:43 AM   #10
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Meaning, you think the retzuos are fine, or there is no responsibility for a rav to come out against something, unless asked?
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Unread 07-19-2011, 11:29 AM   #11
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I have no opinion on the retzuos. I posted the above tshuva giving one side of the issue. I am sure there are other tshuvos from others giving the other side, as often the case (at least - I assume so. I did not see any). [Full disclosure: I myself do not have them, and I have no intention of getting them].
To come out against something, you have be sure that it is wrong, and that it is a michshol. Is that clearly the case over here?
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Unread 06-02-2012, 09:17 PM   #12
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RambaM on black retzuot

I am a beginner. What I can add to this discussion is what I read in Mishneh Torah wherem the RambaM writes in halachot tefilin perek 3 halacha 14:

... ונוי הוא לתפלין שיהיו כלן שחורה הקציצה והרצועה כלה

I have asked my Rabbi if there is opinion in contrary and he replied it is unlikely that any poskim would say so if the RamabM says it is beatiful to have the retsuah all black.
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Unread 06-03-2012, 08:27 AM   #13
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That Rambam was dealt with in the tshuva I posted in post #5. Maybe print out and show to your Rabbi. The fact is, that it was never done...
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Unread 06-03-2012, 03:21 PM   #14
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Thanks. I'll do just that. Kol Tuv

RambaM on retzuot.
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Unread 06-05-2012, 09:43 AM   #15
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That Rambam was dealt with in the tshuva I posted in post #5. Maybe print out and show to your Rabbi. The fact is, that it was never done...
I have discussed the psak halacha contained in the attachment with my Rav and it offers a different reading on the Mishne Torah and goes beyond saying that it may not even be kasher being black on both sides.

Since it is now 6 years old, is there any update from the Monsey Beit Din? also, is there any psak halacha on this matter from a Chabad posek?

I currently do not use black&black retzuot and after reading the Mishne Torah (for the first time and without yun) I considered buying them for both Rashi and RT because the ones I was considering buying are avodas yad (mine current ones I do not know whether they are or not) and also for practical matters, since I currently hold them in the gartel and the b&b would be a relieve in this regard. After discussing this psak halacha from the Monsey BD with my Rav I changed my mind and decided to stick to the traditional black and leather and, when possible, replace them and buy avodas yad ones.

So, this discussion for me has practical implications, as I want to do this mitzvah with hidur and even incorporate chumrot, as far as they are accepted and no one says it is posul, as may be the case with b&b.

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