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Unread 03-02-2010, 11:18 AM   #1
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Rashab Talis vs. Chabad Talis

I see that you can purchase a Rashab talis and also a Chabad talis. What is the history of the Rashab talis? What was used before? Why is there a different talis that is now considered the Chabad talis?
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Unread 03-02-2010, 12:07 PM   #2
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Where did you see this advertised?
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Unread 03-02-2010, 01:02 PM   #3
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http://www.hasofer.com/html/chabad.html

So Noah !?
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Unread 03-02-2010, 01:45 PM   #4
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Rashab talis is for millionaires
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Unread 03-02-2010, 02:22 PM   #5
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I saw it the same place that Shmeryl posted.

I didn't know about the millionaires and the Rashab's talis. That seems to be an important piece of info.
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Unread 03-02-2010, 04:58 PM   #6
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Why is there a different talis that is now considered the Chabad talis?
It's like asking why is it that nowadays Chasidim emulate the dress of the Rebbe and not that of the Alter Rebbe.
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Unread 03-02-2010, 05:27 PM   #7
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Also not a bad question, but not quite the same question.
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Unread 03-02-2010, 05:46 PM   #8
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Also not a bad question, but not quite the same question.
Thx, this was to open wide the debate.
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Unread 03-03-2010, 05:45 AM   #9
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What I don't quite get, is where is the source for the patern of the stripes in chabad taletim, vs. other peoples?

why are chabad taletim so very different from everyone else's?

(although its interesting to note that there are 7 stripes on a chabad one, and the second is the largest, not the third.)
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Unread 03-03-2010, 07:49 AM   #10
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Why are chabad taletim so very different from everyone else's?
It is very good question, but the problem is : we are different in almost everything.
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Unread 03-03-2010, 08:00 AM   #11
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It is very good question, but the problem is : we are different in almost everything.
I don't know why you would say this. Chabad, like all other frum Jews, wear tallisim. Those tallesim have four corners, on which we hang fringes composed of knotted strings. The knotted strings are tied differently, but all essentially have eight strings (I think that's universal) tied into a row of a few small knots followed by the tails of the strings hanging down. We wear the tallisim for prayer along with tefillin. We get our makor for the tallisim from the same sforim and pesukin. And like many other groups, we make the beged mostly white with some black stripes.

Our pattern of stripes is different. When we wear the tallis is different. How we tie the knots and affix them to the beged is different. But can you really say we are different in almost everything? An unaffilliated Jew would really have to look to see any difference at all except perhaps the stripes pattern because it happens to be so eye-catching.

And pretty much all of the differences have some basis in minhag, history, kabalah or (gasp) halachah.
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I would like to see a source that there is any significance to the pattern of the stripes, and not merely the whim of the local manufacturer.
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Unread 03-03-2010, 11:11 AM   #13
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Which version was the Rebbe's tallis?
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Unread 03-03-2010, 02:36 PM   #14
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I would like to see a source that there is any significance to the pattern of the stripes, and not merely the whim of the local manufacturer.
I saw once a quote from a manufacturer "with the stripes according to the alter rebbe"

I thought this very weird. i'm looking for a confirmation or more likely a debunking.
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Unread 03-03-2010, 02:37 PM   #15
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Which version was the Rebbe's tallis?
regular, but i saw a picture with a reshab talit, but i think that was after the stroke.
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Unread 03-03-2010, 02:49 PM   #16
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But can you really say we are different in almost everything?
YES WE CAN (sorry Barack Hussein Obama)

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An unaffilliated Jew would really have to look to see any difference at all except perhaps the stripes pattern because it happens to be so eye-catching.
It's not negative to say that we do differntly.

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And pretty much all of the differences have some basis in minhag, history, kabalah or (gasp) halachah.
Nobody said the opposite.
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Unread 03-03-2010, 03:02 PM   #17
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I saw once a quote from a manufacturer "with the stripes according to the alter rebbe"

I thought this very weird. i'm looking for a confirmation or more likely a debunking.
Why bother debunking nareshkeit?
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Unread 03-03-2010, 03:32 PM   #18
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Why bother debunking nareshkeit?
meh, i'm currious as to why chabad uses a different pattern...
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Unread 03-03-2010, 05:20 PM   #19
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meh, i'm currious as to why chabad uses a different pattern...
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Unread 03-03-2010, 06:01 PM   #20
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meh, i'm currious as to why chabad uses a different pattern...
Even if so, where does the "Alter Rebbe" come into this?
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Unread 03-03-2010, 11:53 PM   #21
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Even if so, where does the "Alter Rebbe" come into this?
false advertising=ganevat daat/am haaratzus?
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Unread 03-04-2010, 09:43 AM   #22
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AFAIK, yes.
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Unread 03-04-2010, 09:54 AM   #23
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I'm surprised that no one has presented some history of these talasim yet.

So far, all I found out is that the Rashab tallis is larger, more expensive, has a different stripe pattern, but still follows the AR.

On another blog I read from someone who may/may not be reliable, that the FR was in Israel and purchased a tallis there with a pattern that he liked, and that became the new style. The same writer said that the Rebbe's father had a tallis with white stripes, and offered that the Rebbe rolled his talis in such a way to hide the black stripes as sort of a compromise between the FR and his father.

Can anyone either verify or debunk the above story?
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Unread 03-04-2010, 11:58 PM   #24
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Again: How and where does the AR come into this?
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Unread 03-05-2010, 04:10 AM   #25
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Again: How and where does the AR come into this?
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false advertising=ganevat daat/am haaratzus
That was my rhetorical question as an answer. . .

ie: false advertising.
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