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Unread 11-27-2011, 08:43 PM   #1
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Why don't Lubavitchers move to Israel?

Chabad does sterling work in mekareving Jews worldwide, and even attracting not a few geirim.

But by having more and more Chabad Houses everywhere from Katmandu to Timbuktu, from Alaska to Patagonia, whilst not detracting from the mesirus nefesh of Chabad shlichim, are they not in a sense extending the Galut and delaying the Geulah?

I have heard Shifra Hoffman heavily criticize Chabad on this.

The Torah is the only land-centered religion, and ALL Jews are ideally meant to live in Eretz Yisrael.

Chabad have many mitzva mivtzas: Tefillin campaign, Kashrus campaign, Candle lighting campaign, Family Purity campaign etc; but no "Kibbutz Galuyot Ingathering campaign" - and no Lubavitcher advocates the most important mitzva of Jews going to live permanently in Israel - least of all their local financial donors- i.e. are Chabadniks and their devotees becoming just too comfortable and Golus-centered in their luxy Chabad Houses, and making the Exile "a home away from home"?
If Chabad had appointed an 8th Rebbe it might have been different.

The 6th Rebbe, like most rabbis of his era, was strongly opposed to Zionism. The 7th Rebbe strongly supported the security of the State of Israel and opposed "Land for Peace", but only on Shulchan Aruch grounds of pikuach nefesh, emphasising that he would not bring straight psukim from the Tenach as to the Jewish rights to all of Israel.


Watch the pride and zeal with which Chabad reel of the names of their Chabad Houses, all the way from Thule to Hobart!

http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/...onvention.html

Imagine the impact on Israel & Israeli politics if all the above Shluchim and their families arrived in Israel in one go, instead of going back to Berkeley and Bangkok!
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Unread 11-28-2011, 02:20 AM   #2
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A very good question. Ask your favourite "kabalist". Or maybe the esteemed Shifra Hoffman (whoever that is...).

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Unread 11-29-2011, 12:31 AM   #3
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I was wondering what kabala says about multiple personality syndromes.
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Unread 11-29-2011, 01:47 PM   #4
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Why not google and check gilgulim?

No effect at all if you check the numbers assuming a democracy.
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Unread 11-29-2011, 03:30 PM   #5
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Seriously, your and Mrs. Hoffman's complaint is ridiculous. The Shluchim are there in sundry remote places to teach Jews Torah. I have met Shifra Hoffman. Being frum Jews, I find it appalling that you and she suggest that Jews leave their post where they are fighting with tremendous mesiras nefesh to save Jews, adults and children, from assimilation, and even condemn them for doing so. Do you realise that the Shluchim are the biggest force fighting assimilation in the world today?!

What would happen if the Shluchim would move to Eretz Yisrael? All their congregants would be left without their leaders, and they would assimilate until they would ultimately be lost to the Jewish people, G-d forbid.

The (justified) pride and zeal at the Kinus was at the success (due to divine assistance) at bringing the word of G-d to locations in the entire world, in preparation for the ultimate revelation of G-d's word worldwide, which will be done when Moshiach comes.

On the Rebbe's view on aliyah, see here. On Zionism, see here and here. On the purpose of living in exile according to pnimiyus haTorah, see here.

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Unread 11-29-2011, 04:22 PM   #6
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More on the Rebbe's view on choosing a place to live:
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Where To Establish One's Residence

With regard to your writing about where a person should establish his residence:
The determining factor is not where it will be best and most pleasant for him, but where he can do the most good and where his assistance is most needed.

This is similar to a medical doctor, who is to establish his residence where his help is needed most and not where he hopes to find the most comfortable life.

Truly, each and every individual is responsible for "healing" his environs, to imbue it with additional "light" and holiness. And with regard to Jews: the primary and main purpose of each and every one of them is to infuse his environs with a greater degree of Judaism.

(Likkutei Sichos, Vol. XXIII, p. 450)
From here.
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Unread 12-03-2011, 05:27 PM   #7
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On Purim 1991 the Gulf War ended ostensibly as the Rebbe predicted, with Saddam Hussein surrendering.

If at that moment the Rebbe had announced that he was immediately flying to Israel on a 'visit', he would have been accompanied by at least 40,000 disciples.

The electrifying commotion caused in this world and the Higher Worlds by the Rebbe marching from Ben Gurion Airport to the Kosel on foot would have forced Hashem's Hand, and we would today already be in the 21st year of the Messianic Age!

Who exactly instructed to have the Rebbe buried underneath the bleak skies of Schvartzer-infested Queens? He should have been buried on Har Hazeisim, or next to his brother in Tzfas.

Maybe there should be a move to have the Rebbe reinterred in Eretz Yisrael like most great leaders, just as there is today a move to have Rebbe Nachman reburied
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/150253
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Unread 12-03-2011, 07:28 PM   #8
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I'm just astounded at the attitude to so sharply criticise someone of such great stature. Maybe, just maybe, among the Rebbe's vast knowledge, the Rebbe knew something that you don't know in connection to aliyah?
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Unread 12-03-2011, 07:35 PM   #9
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Yissacher - why not just stick to your "mekubal" and leave us alone?
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Unread 12-07-2011, 12:36 AM   #10
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This by Gary Cooperberg of Chevron, presumably not in accordance with Lubavitch thinking, nor any other Haredi group:



"Netanyahu condemns Aliyah Campaign

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/201...ref=middleeast

I guess in order to be a successful politician you must learn to always be politically correct. Unfortunately being a successful politician does not mean being a good leader. If all one cares for is to hold on to the seat of power, then he cannot truly be a responsible leader. This latest example of selling out Jewish principles is a stark example of just how unfit Netanyahu is to be a Jewish leader.
From an Israeli and Jewish position there is nothing more vital than encouraging Jews to come home to Israel. It is a mitzvah to live in the Land and it is a sin to willfully live outside of the Land of Israel. Yet it would seem that our Jewish prime minister is embarrassed to say such things. Of course Jewish Americans are quite pleased living in their pleasant Exile. And of course they are angered when anyone dare suggest that they leave. It would not surprise me were the Mashiach himself to come and tell them to go home that they would label him a crazy fanatic and deplore his denigration of their happy Exile. They might even pressure their representatives in Congress to issue a statement of condemnation of such a campaign.
If, as Rashi tells us, eighty percent of the Jewish people living in slavery in Egypt preferred that Exile to the idea of coming home to Israel, clearly it is logical that Jews living in a pleasant Exile would be far less willing to leave than were those slaves.
So condemnation of any campaign to encourage Jews, Israeli or otherwise, to come home is not surprising. What is surprising and even shameful, is for an Israeli Prime Minister to accept and even join such condemnation! On the contrary. A genuine Jewish leader should applaud such a campaign and vigorously endorse it! If an Israeli Prime Minister is more concerned about hurting the feelings of Jews who wish to remain comfortable in their Exile then he is about the need to remind them that Israel is their only home then he has no business being an Israeli Prime Minister.
America has been a wonderful haven for Jews for over two hundred years. But it still is part of our Exile. From the moment that Jewish sovereignty returned to the Land of Israel all Jews should feel the need and overwhelming desire to come home. We wandered for over two thousand years in Exile, never dreaming for it to be permanent, rather hoping, praying and dreaming for the day we would be able to return home. Now that the moment has at long last come most choose to ignore it!
Although we choose to close our eyes, the fact is that the Exile is coming to a close. Should we refuse to leave of our own will, it will spit us out against our will. And our expulsion will not be a pleasant process. Netanyahu is not doing his people a favor by acquiescing to the ranting of American Jewish leaders. He is putting them in danger by encouraging their blindness and endorsing their foolhardiness. To call this behavior irresponsible is an understatement.
Jews of America. It is time to pack your bags and come home to Israel. Don’t wait to be expelled. Come home with pride, joy, and your belongings. The future of your children is at stake. Don’t wait."
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Unread 12-07-2011, 06:49 PM   #11
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I have no knowledge of the politics involved in the above diatribe (nor am I interested). But the dearth of Torah sources - except for a Rashi that is not exactly relevant (unless the fellow considers himself a Novi) - is striking and typical.
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Unread 04-19-2017, 08:39 PM   #12
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It simply denies the Rebbe's mission!

The Rebbe wanted his chasidim to spread out across the globe to engage Jews far away from Jewish society in Yiddishkeit.

If we all moved to Eretz Yisroel, all those Yidden who are not living in Eretz Yisroel would again be living without a Jewish presence, and thus it would be denying the Rebbe's mission to all his chasidim worldwide.

Not to mention that a lot of shluchim purchase burial plots in the city they set up in to show that they intend to stay there for life.
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