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Unread 02-23-2006, 12:20 AM   #1
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Responsibility to have firearms?

Do we have a responsibility to have firearms?
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Unread 02-23-2006, 01:01 AM   #2
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Do we have a responsibility to have firearms?
That’s a loaded question but ill give it a shot.

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Clearly we all recognize that Israel’s survival depends, in part, on its military and heavily armed citizenry. America doesn’t face the same dangers, however, anti-Semitism (dormant currently) and crime does exist even here in America. Therefore, I think it makes sense that Jews have the ability to protect themselves.
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Unread 02-23-2006, 01:06 AM   #3
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And what better way then with a firearm?. With Gun safety courses.
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Unread 02-23-2006, 01:08 AM   #4
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And what better way then with a firearm?. With Gun safety courses.
Yes firearms have been proven effective when it comes to preserving ones life. That's why police carry guns. It clearly serves that function. That's also why the Friedeker rebbe carried a gun (see Sefer Ha'Sichos 5681 page 21).

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Unread 02-23-2006, 01:10 AM   #5
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Yes I know that, i saw a thread about that.

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Unread 02-23-2006, 04:46 AM   #6
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Do we have a responsibility to have firearms?
It definitely makes pogroms less likely:
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Unread 02-23-2006, 09:25 AM   #7
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Its a great website.
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Unread 02-23-2006, 02:07 PM   #8
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I was perusing that website and I found an article titled "Some Judaic Sources on the Right to Bear Arms" written by chabad.org writer Shlomo Yaffe
http://www.jpfo.org/yaffe1.htm

Here is Rabbi Yaffe's bio
http://www.chabad.org/search/keyword.asp?kid=2427

"After flirting with rocket science and WWII history, Shlomo Yaffe turned his prodigious mind and booming voice to the mastery and teaching of Talmudic law and Chassidic philosophy. Today he lectures nationwide to appreciative audiences and serves as rabbi and spiritual leader of Congregation Agudas Achim of West Hartford, Connecticut"
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Unread 02-23-2006, 02:56 PM   #9
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Women are not allowed to carry guns.
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Unread 02-23-2006, 03:02 PM   #10
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Women are not allowed to carry guns.
Ideally a man should be there to protect a women from harm.

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Unread 02-23-2006, 03:13 PM   #11
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Women are not allowed to carry guns.
I have never heard of that! Why not?
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Unread 02-23-2006, 03:16 PM   #12
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I have never heard of that! Why not?
I have never either heard of that. Is this discussion about carrying guns or just owning them?

This reminds me of the story of Yehudis hamalkah, who saved the jewish people by cutting off the head of the general, in the sotry of Chanukah. She didnt have any qualms with using a sword (the equivelent of a gun back then).
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Unread 02-23-2006, 06:24 PM   #13
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I agree there is nothing wrong with protecting yourself, this is my first post.
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Unread 02-23-2006, 06:30 PM   #14
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You have your head on straight.

And welcome!
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Unread 02-23-2006, 06:45 PM   #15
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On a side not I heard that the man from Beni Brak (shach) said that Jewish citizens should not own guns, even in Israel and especially in the US. Kal Vechamer every Lubavitcher should go out and get one, just to spite!!!

Does anyone now his rationale for such a ridiculous statment? Many other so called representative orginizations of Judaism (such as reform vechulu) are also anti-gun. I wonder why.
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Unread 02-23-2006, 07:06 PM   #16
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LOL LOL LOL

Of course!!!
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Unread 02-23-2006, 07:07 PM   #17
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On a side not I heard that the man from Beni Brak (shach) said that Jewish citizens should not own guns, even in Israel and especially in the US. Kal Vechamer every Lubavitcher should go out and get one, just to spite!!!

Does anyone now his rationale for such a ridiculous statment? Many other so called representative orginizations of Judaism (such as reform vechulu) are also anti-gun. I wonder why.
The man from Bnei Brak also said not to eat pig. Guess what I'm going to feast on this Shabbos? It starts with a b, and ends with an acon. HAHAHA! Take that, man from Bnei Brak. I keep Torah better, AND make fun of Gedolim better than you ever could, Man from Bnei Brak!! (sarcasm: Just because R' Schach said not to do something is no reason to davka do it.)

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Unread 02-23-2006, 07:14 PM   #18
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The man from Bnei Brak also said not to eat pig. Guess what I'm going to feast on this Shabbos? It starts with a b, and ends with an acon. HAHAHA! Take that, man from Bnei Brak. I keep Torah better, AND make fun of Gedolim better than you ever could, Man from Bnei Brak!!
for moses's sake what are you talking about? Are you making some point?
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Unread 02-23-2006, 07:32 PM   #19
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Milwaukee, I think Missullem miss understood your statement. He thought you were supporting the fellow from Benai Brok. He did not understand that you were mocking him.
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Unread 02-23-2006, 08:17 PM   #20
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(sarcasm: Just because R' Schach said not to do something is no reason to davka do it.)
True, I was being facetious too. He clearly had no basis in Torah to make such an inflamatory statment.
The Rebbe refered to Shach as the man from Bnei Brak, FYI, its not my invention.
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Unread 02-23-2006, 10:15 PM   #21
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You have your head on straight.

And welcome!
Again Thanks Milwaukee is it possible to talk to you in another forum I need to talk to a rabbi or someone real bad.
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Unread 02-24-2006, 12:31 AM   #22
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Abagail, you could contact a rabbi live on www.askmoses.com.
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Unread 12-04-2006, 03:48 PM   #23
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בשנת תר"מ נסע הוד כ"ק אאזמו"ר הרה"ק מוהר"ש לחוץ לארץ, והודיע לר' ישעי' ברלין לבוא אליו עם כמה אברכים

ר' ישעי' ברלין - גר אז בוועליז וגם משפחתו של רש"ל גרה שם – לא קיבל את הדבר ברצינות כי חשב שזה מעין מעשה דווינסק, ובהיותו טרוד אז לא נסע בעצמו רק שלח את רש"ל. כשבא רש"ל אמר לו הוד כ"ק אאזמו"ר הרה"ק מוהר"ש, טוב שבאת, קח כרטיס למחלקה הראשונה ותסע אתי מספר תחנות

כשנכנסו לרכבת ביקש הוד כ"ק אאזמו"ר הרה"ק מוהר"ש את רש"ל שיהיה בתא שלו וישב לידו. בתוך כך נכנס לאותה מחלקה אברך אחד עם סאקעט - מין מלתחת נוסעים בימים ההם – והתיישב מול הוד כ"ק אאזמו"ר הרה"ק מוהר"ש

הוד כ"ק אאזמו"ר הרה"ק מוהר"ש פנה אל אותו אברך ואמר: יהודי אסור שיהיו לו ידי עשו, תן לי מה שיש לך. נטל האברך אקדח [רעוואלווער] מכיסו ויתנו להוד כ"ק אאזמו"ר הרה"ק מוהר"ש שהשליכו דרך החלון

לאחר מכן אמר הוד כ"ק אאזמו"ר הרה"ק מוהר"ש לרש"ל: כעת הנך יכול כבר לנסוע חזרה

הסיפור נדפס בספר התולדות מוהר"ש ע' 76. ספר השיחות תש"ה ע' 28. רשימות ח"קלא ע' 190 אוצר סיפורי חב"ד ח"ח ע' 74
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Unread 12-08-2006, 12:14 AM   #24
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please translate for the beinifit of everyone.
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Unread 12-08-2006, 12:39 AM   #25
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The relevant part states that the Rebbe Maharash told a Chossid that carrying a revolver was forbidden because it was an Esav-like act. When he found that a talmid of his was carrying one, he took it from him and threw it out the window.
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