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Unread 11-09-2009, 10:32 AM   #301
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Please post regarding college and university here, rather than starting a new thread. Also, unless the subject matter is seriously divurgent, there is no need to post on the same topic simultaneously in three different threads.
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Unread 11-11-2009, 10:23 AM   #302
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Three years ago, I registered to university, mainly because my father did not want me studying in the Kodesh. After the first month, I no longer returned there. This is something I strongly discourages forr religious and more particularly for a Chassid. Do not say that there are exceptions. Just the place itself is not appropriate.

In addition, there are more and more professional trainings, particularly in France, for religious Jews who have only studied in the field of Kodesh. And it works very well. Without having to go at a college or university, you can be trained, get good qualifiers, decent work and ensuring Parnassah for a family. Moreover, a degree does not lead necessarily to find a job or a job that fits your skills.

Now studying in a university that offers programs (without philosophical and secularist subjects) for religious Jews is another story (if such university even exists).
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Unread 11-11-2009, 11:37 AM   #303
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Now studying in a university that offers programs (without philosophical and secularist subjects) for religious Jews is another story (if such university even exists).



In Graduate Programs you don't have to take other subjects.
Being that this is the case there are prominent Rabbis and Mechanchim that go to, even Catholic universities for a masters in education, social work etc..
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Unread 11-11-2009, 12:03 PM   #304
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I notice that you didn't respond to any of the *actual sources* that I posted before. As usual, you prefer your own unsourced opinions to the Rebbe's sichos and letters.
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Unread 11-11-2009, 12:32 PM   #305
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I have asked the question before, what was his "shita" regarding Graduate Programs?

Law school is a good example.

The sources that you brought are regarding undergraduate schools.
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Unread 11-11-2009, 12:35 PM   #306
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Regarding tzinus.

There is an opinion one should get married.
Go to school online.
Stay at home.
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Unread 11-11-2009, 04:53 PM   #307
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Well, I think we can all agree that nothing but thieves and scoundrels come out of law school, so we definitely shouldn't send our kids there
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Unread 11-11-2009, 05:17 PM   #308
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The example I wanted to bring was a program where one doesn't have to learn Theology/Philosophy. Rather one only learns what they want to.
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Unread 11-11-2009, 06:02 PM   #309
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The example I wanted to bring was a program where one doesn't have to learn Theology/Philosophy. Rather one only learns what they want to.
This is what you think. in secular studies, most of the things studied are useless. On the whole curriculum, in general, this is what you study in the last years that truly deserve to be studied. Many Chabad in my Shul who have been or are currently studying medicine say it frequently.
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Unread 11-11-2009, 09:42 PM   #310
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The sources I brought above do not distinguish between undergraduate school and graduate school.
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Unread 11-12-2009, 05:40 AM   #311
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The sources I brought above do not distinguish between undergraduate school and graduate school.
And I don't see why we should make such distinction.
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Unread 11-17-2009, 07:40 PM   #312
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And I don't see why we should make such distinction.


Because in undergrad one has to take courses that they don't necessarily want to or need.
Where as Graduate school one only takes courses that they want to and need.
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Unread 11-17-2009, 07:56 PM   #313
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Because in undergrad one has to take courses that they don't necessarily want to or need.
Where as Graduate school one only takes courses that they want to and need.
A distinction that the Rebbe was undoubtedly aware of when he said that Jews shouldn't go to college, and get secular educations. Yet you do not see any indications in the Rebbe's writings of a difference between undergraduate and graduate school.
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Unread 11-18-2009, 02:14 AM   #314
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See the letter and sicha here.
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Unread 11-18-2009, 05:43 AM   #315
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I find it fascinating that 8 years (almost to the day) later, and this discussion is still living strong!
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Unread 11-18-2009, 10:20 AM   #316
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I find it fascinating that 8 years (almost to the day) later, and this discussion is still living strong!
With some on the board opposing the Rebbe's view on the subject, I find it pathetic.
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Unread 11-18-2009, 10:52 AM   #317
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It's true that some types of colleges are less worse than others, and some types of courses are less worse than others. And it's true that college is less worse after one is married. But even many of the less worse colleges and courses, after marriage, still have problems.
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Unread 11-18-2009, 11:03 AM   #318
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As I pointed out many times - this is all good and fine and true. But as long as L mosdos will pay young girls with degrees more than much older experienced teachers without them, the problem will not go away, and will worsen.

Or - in other words - there is a degree of hypocricy at play...
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Unread 11-18-2009, 11:41 AM   #319
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With some on the board opposing the Rebbe's view on the subject, I find it pathetic.
I don't understand the venom. People are arguing what Rebbe's view was, for example asking if there would be a distinction between grad school and undergrad. And those who do argue with the Rebbe's view, if the Rebbe did not see fit to call them names perhaps you should think twice as well.
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Unread 11-18-2009, 01:28 PM   #320
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I don't understand the venom. People are arguing what Rebbe's view was, for example asking if there would be a distinction between grad school and undergrad. And those who do argue with the Rebbe's view, if the Rebbe did not see fit to call them names perhaps you should think twice as well.
1) Who gave a name to whom???
2) Those who said that going to college or university was Kosher are doing mental gymnastics to make the Rebbe's words fit with "opinions" or "beliefs" that it is Kosher (without taking into accounts what the Rebbe said).(Whoever can demonstrate that the Rebbe says it's Kosher, so OK. But this has not been the case)

The problem is not necessarily the subjects studied at college or university, but the place itself is already problematic.
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Unread 11-19-2009, 07:49 AM   #321
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You seem to be missing MahTov's point: You may be right about the Rebbe's position (and I think you are right about the Rebbe's position). But that doesn't mean that you need to insult people who disagree with you.
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Unread 11-19-2009, 09:07 AM   #322
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With some on the board opposing the Rebbe's view on the subject, I find it pathetic.
Is it an insult?
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Unread 11-19-2009, 10:14 AM   #323
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To call someone pathetic? Yes.

Perhaps I'm the worst offender (and if so, then I apologize), but when people are honestly trying to have a discussion about ideas, and evereyone starts from the premise of accepting the Rebbe's instructions as authoritative, I see no reason for half of the invective and venom that sometimes fills people's responses.
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Unread 11-19-2009, 10:54 AM   #324
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2) Those who said that going to college or university was Kosher are doing mental gymnastics to make the Rebbe's words fit with "opinions" or "beliefs" that it is Kosher (.
it happens in many different areas (Moshiach, College,shlichus,etc)
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Unread 11-19-2009, 12:16 PM   #325
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He wasn't saying that a person is pathetic, he was describing the attitude.
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