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Unread 06-17-2003, 09:47 PM   #1
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The Rebbe's University Education

I am curious about what is known about the Rebbe's years at the University of Berlin and the Sorbonne.

He studied in those places for almost eight years; was he a full-time University student? Did he study only the sciences, or "humanities" as well? Did the Rebbe ever comment on what he learned there? Were his experiences there influential on his later position of strongly discouraging secular studies and college?
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Unread 06-17-2003, 09:52 PM   #2
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He did not study at the Sorbonne
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Unread 06-17-2003, 09:57 PM   #3
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was he a full-time University student?
There is a story told that the Rebbe was once learning (torah) during a class, and when the profesor asked him if he was following the Rebbe said over what the prof. had just said and continued to learn again.

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Were his experiences there influential on his later position of strongly discouraging secular studies and college?
When someone once asked him, how can the Rebbe tell me not to go to college, when he himself went, the rebbe responded that because he went he was able to tell him not to go [based on experiance there]
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Unread 06-17-2003, 10:24 PM   #4
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He did not study at the Sorbonne
Then what was he doing in France all those years?
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Unread 06-17-2003, 10:54 PM   #5
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He studied in another College. I am not sure he got a degree there.
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Unread 06-18-2003, 05:04 AM   #6
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it was the Sorbonne.

i read a story about a guy who needed a Sukka on Sukkos and met the Rebbe (this happened in Paris) and the Rebbe invited him. the Sukka only had place for 2 ppl so the rebbetzin ate inside. years later he visited the Rebbe in NY. there are more details to this story.

in general the Rebbe kept a very low profile when in germany and france, he didnt want to attract too much attention.

while in Paris the Rebbe would give a gemara shiur in the Shul in the Pletzel (where 3 Rebbe's davened). after a while, someone decided to see which gemara the Rebbe was using and it turned out to be a different masechta! due to the lack of gemara's the Rebbe just used a different one!

there are a few more stories about that time, anyone who has them should plz add!
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Unread 06-18-2003, 05:25 AM   #7
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the rebbe told a few ppl to go to university
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Unread 06-18-2003, 06:29 AM   #8
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the rebbe told a few ppl to go to university
That's another thread. Let's keep this thread limited to the Rebbe's own University experience.
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Unread 06-18-2003, 11:22 AM   #9
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This is it, no more no less:
In Paris: The Rebbe sat in on classes at the Sorbonne.
The Rebbe graduated from another Engineering school. I don't know the caliber, but he was to be employed in the Navy Yard in Brooklyn for 5 years after arriving here.
In Berlin: The Rebbe sat in on many classes in different places.

Our "friend" the Liozner has documented much of this, and some is still somewhat obscure.
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Unread 06-29-2003, 12:42 AM   #10
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i recall seeing in one cf the kfar chabad magazines a pirsum rishon of a list of the students of one of the universities of europe (i don't remember which one) and the rebbe was one of them.

regarding the rebbe's horoah regarding college - see for example Biurei hatanya (r' ginzburg) part one, end of perek ches.veain kan hamakom lehaarich bezeh.
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Unread 06-29-2003, 05:36 AM   #11
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Deitch writes that the Rebbe did not learn in the sorbonne.

Bochur770, I notice that you are writing with much confidence things that you can not bring any proof to back, in general why dont you try to bring a source to what you are wrighting.
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Unread 06-29-2003, 09:20 AM   #12
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The Liozner was so emphatic on the Rebbe not being at the Sorbonne at all, because he was trying to "prove" that "everything" Chasidim say about the Rebbe is false, only he knows the truth.

The truth was that the Rebbe did not graduate from the Sorbonne, as claimed at times, but sat in on classes, a possibility allowed even in our universities. You don't have to enroll, but you do have to pay for that class, and you don't receive any credit for it.
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Unread 06-29-2003, 11:36 AM   #13
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In "sparks of chassidus" in the english section there is a letter from the Rebbe where he mentions his university education. A facsimile of the letter with the Rebbe's hagaos is printed there at the end of the english section. If anyone has that can they please post what the Rebbe wrote there? I dont have the book with me.
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Unread 06-29-2003, 02:56 PM   #14
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i am sorry HoravDave, most things that i write down here is stuff i have read in the past or heard at farbrengens, it is hard to track sources for everything
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Unread 06-29-2003, 03:09 PM   #15
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So why dont you post "I heard at a farbrengen..." before posting yout "facts"?
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Unread 06-29-2003, 05:21 PM   #16
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I don't know the caliber, but he was to be employed in the Navy Yard in Brooklyn for 5 years after arriving here.
Infact there a part to the nuclear submarine called the Schneersohn (with some number at the end)
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Unread 06-29-2003, 09:32 PM   #17
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You have proof for that?
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Unread 06-29-2003, 09:35 PM   #18
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Proof? Who needs proof?
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Unread 06-29-2003, 09:50 PM   #19
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You beleive something just based on hearsay without proof?!
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Unread 07-04-2003, 12:41 AM   #20
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mordechai7215, did you find any proof yet?
if not, please post so. thank you!
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Unread 07-04-2003, 01:07 AM   #21
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Lets see, to my first post, besides having heard it, I recently saw that it's in Despite All Odds

For my second post, I was told by a Magid shuir of mine when I was in Mesivta
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Unread 07-04-2003, 02:04 PM   #22
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Mordechai7215, do you know where this can be verified?
maybe ask your magid shiur from Mesivta?
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Unread 07-04-2003, 02:55 PM   #23
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I'll try next time I see him
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Unread 07-04-2003, 03:12 PM   #24
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Since we are on this subject let me put out a clal concerning my posts.

The Rambam says that if one doesn't bring down from whom he is quoting we can assume it's from his Rebbi. So to, anything which I saw and don't bring a makor for (or at least say I forgot the makor) is something I have learnt from Magedi shuriem, Mashpiem etc.
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Unread 07-25-2003, 11:13 AM   #25
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He did not study at the Sorbonne
the rebbe writes in a letter that he studied at the sorbonne
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