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Unread 03-10-2009, 12:10 AM   #1
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How do I keep the Torah in mind with my career?

I'm in a pickle.

I've been offered a great deal to take a new job in a big company that isn't in competition with my current employer.

The problem is, my current employer is angry because he has done his best to keep the business open so his workers could be in jobs.

Apparently he has no faith that he can let me go and survive. I've volunteered to work there after my first job on the week days and he still acts as though the world has ended! Within 20 minutes of me telling him he treats me as though I am dead to him!

I'm making efforts to replace myself before my notice is up. How do I deal with someone who has had a large part in making me what I am (Career-wise), in a fair and torah manner?

What would the rebbe do?
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Unread 03-10-2009, 12:18 AM   #2
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Is the problem a difference in salary? A difference in hours? A more honorable position? Better benefits?

If it's the third, I'd suggest you stick with your current employer. If it's any of the others, perhaps discuss it with him, and explain why you think this new job is better. Perhaps he'll offer you a raise just to keep you.
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Unread 03-10-2009, 12:22 AM   #3
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Well

It isn't about the honor...I'd be starting at the bottom at the new place...it's more about knowing their will be a paycheck next week.
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Unread 03-10-2009, 12:26 AM   #4
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sedvan

I know that is Purim, but, getting a good job in these days, is like a joke or a miracle!

Tonight , someone told me that he left his last job for a better one, making more than 50% more ,and now after 6 month, they fired him.


I agree with Major, maybe today Pirim is your day and you can get a raise or become a partner in the business!
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Unread 03-10-2009, 12:35 AM   #5
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Oyah!

I feel like I'm being ripped apart.

On one hand I can work for some benefits that he cannot offer me at the new company, and the other, is like..I'm having a divorce.

Either way I feel like I'll lose.
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Unread 03-10-2009, 12:38 AM   #6
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Are you being paid fairly for your work now? #4 sounded like he was having money issues, and couldn't pay you.

Meanwhile, being b'simcha on Purim [and davening] will be the best. Working on Purim won't bring you bracha; simcha breaks all boundaries.
[And now I begin to work- Purim for me is tomorrow, not today.]

Er...chossidnistar agrees with me?! I must not be seeing things right. Oh, it's Purim- v'nahafoch hu- he's speaking backwards.
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Unread 03-10-2009, 12:44 AM   #7
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is your employer Jewish? or the New Company?
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Unread 03-10-2009, 12:49 AM   #8
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I'm not sure that matters- if his employer is Jewish, that constitutes no obligation on Sedvan's part to continue working if he can't make a parnassa. And if the new company is Jewish, that gives them no advantage.

What does matter is that, according to Sedvan's admission, his current employer has had a hand in making Sedvan as successful as he is- and therefore, Jewish or not, he deserves a great deal of respect, and possibly priority, as well (depending on the circumstances, of course).
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Unread 03-10-2009, 12:54 AM   #9
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What does matter is that, according to Sedvan's admission, his current employer has had a hand in making Sedvan as successful as he is- and therefore, Jewish or not, he deserves a great deal of respect, and possibly priority, as well (depending on the circumstances, of course).
if he is Jewish, he has an extra mitzvah to fulfill called Ahavas Ysroel, or something like that, according to SEDvan he is vital for the employers business, and employer does not have faith to survive whithout him
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Unread 03-10-2009, 12:56 AM   #10
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Ahavat Yisrael does not constitute martyrdom. And acting respectfully and nicely towards someone who has helped to forward your career is the AY necessary- and it applies whether the man is Jewish or not, in this case.
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Unread 03-10-2009, 12:59 AM   #11
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sorry, I thaught that mitzvah AY, applied only to Jews (called Y)
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Unread 03-10-2009, 01:01 AM   #12
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True. But the boundaries of the AY that applies here would also apply to someone non-Jewish; ie, respect and being just nice, since they helped you out a lot.
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Unread 03-10-2009, 01:03 AM   #13
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You are talking about Kiddush Hashem
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Unread 03-10-2009, 01:06 AM   #14
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True. So here, what one would do for AY is the same as what one would do for KH. Therefore, it doesn't matter whether he's Jewish or not; Sedvan has to do the same thing.
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Unread 03-10-2009, 01:07 AM   #15
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I agree.

He deserves much respect. And I always do as he says but sometimes he has some pretty meshugina ideas.

He has a good heart but sometimes the things he does turn out to either be a bad idea or possibly not quite within the bounds of the laws of the land and I always have to voice my protest.

I agree, this isn't a "jewish" question, as much as it's a torah question.

I just hold loyalty to him because he kept me employed. Rabbi told me i have no contract so therefore I'm not liable to stay, but I've come to love my boss..problem is...the job isn't so great anymore.

The company pretty much runs on my blood and sweet now..he simply won't take an active roll in anything and I can't blame him because he works a first job as well.

I just sometimes think that if I don't take the chance to move on I'll be stuck there forever and won't get the experience I need. Not to mention on the salary i currently get I couldn't hope of having a wife. (and that is something I very much look forward to.)
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Unread 03-10-2009, 01:11 AM   #16
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Do you have a mashpia? (Sheesh, I sound like someone else...)
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Unread 03-10-2009, 01:16 AM   #17
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Not really

well...i had a teacher at the college who wasn't really observant but he'd let me borrow his books. I'd call him a tzadik any day because he'd go out of his way to help a person.

He passed away a couple weeks ago. Really made me sad.
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Unread 03-10-2009, 01:17 AM   #18
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It's contagiuos

salary to have a wife and kids is very important!
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Unread 03-10-2009, 01:18 AM   #19
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It's good you had someone you admired. I'm sorry about your loss.

That doesn't take the place of a chassidishe mashpia, who can answer all these personal questions, though. Is there a Chabad community at all where you live?
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Unread 03-10-2009, 01:23 AM   #20
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Thats a good question.

Actually my friend (from israel) Ahron had a Pushke w/ the rebbe on it..

He said there were some guys that were almost rabbis here to help them.
Bet their chabadniks cause my mom said she saw hasidim in the area on tu'b shevot.

1+1= maybe they are.
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Maybe there are. But how does that answer my question?
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Unread 03-10-2009, 01:30 AM   #22
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i gess that sedvan is not in America

(new jobs, not shluchim)
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Unread 03-10-2009, 01:34 AM   #23
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Hahaha

No no. It's America..
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Unread 03-10-2009, 01:53 AM   #24
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I think that the mashpia is going to tell you to move on, specially if you are going to have a better salary, and more opportunities and looks that this is what you want to do

you can explain , exactely what you are saying here,that you want to get married, and need more money, and offer your help


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Unread 03-11-2009, 02:15 AM   #25
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I'm making efforts to replace myself before my notice is up.
This may be the solution. Maybe you can explain the situation to your new employer, and ask him if he can wait until you find an appropriate replacement.

But are you required to inform the replacement? (That there is no guaranteed pay cheque, that the boss needs to be supervised, etc.) You should probably ask a Rav.
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