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I have no comment other than that who ever is interested should check the sources and see for themselves...
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Ah, that nasty word again..."sources"....
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Lehoir, there's a famous Yechidus with R' Don Yoel Levy, of OK, where he asked the Rebbe whether he can put a Hechsher on Milchik products that are Cholov Stam(according to the Teshuva of R' Moshe), and the Rebbe answered him that the Heter is a Heter and it's better than Real Cholov Okum[kemuvon that was not for us Lubavitchers, but for those who otherwise would have eaten real CA]. This is how I heard it from a Lubavitcher OK Mashgiach at a Yarchei Kalloh according to my memory, please correct me if I was wrong on specific details.
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Tortillas
I suppose that flour tortillas would have to be pas yisroel since they are baked
What about corn tortillas? No wheat flour, no problem--correct?
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Yes, there is a problem... they have a VERY strong taste. You can have mine if you want. (No pas prob, of course)
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I recently had occasion to reread this thread (don't ask me why...). Now is not the time to revisit old issues (tough it is possible that some of what I wrote above has to be revisited a bit).
But I see one thing which is apparantly clearly an error (which is why I feel the need to correct it, as it is a halachik issue): I am pretty sure, that breakfast cereals (for the most part, if not all of them), is a bishul akum issue, not a pas issue (as mentioned many times above by various posters), as they are neither bread not pas habo bekisnin (פת הבא בכסנין). Therefore, the main issue would be oleh al shulchan mlochim and other details/heterim that pertain to bishul. |
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Pas bakery
A bakery in my neighborhood is Kashrut.Org certified and they say that they are Pas, however, throughout the bakery there are pictures of Xmas man and the symbols associated with Xmas man. What would be the considered opinion or ruling for such a bakery?
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You'd have to take this up with the kashrus agency that certifies them...
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I don't see the problem.
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Re: Breakfast cereals.
They obviously go under the geder of bishul and not pas, as one of the conditions for pas is 'toiar lechem' shach YD 112:18. (to the best of my knowledge and research on this topic there is no choilek on this point). and because they are not oileh al shulchan melochim* they probably do not need to be bishul yisroel according to those who go bosar tzurah, for those who go bosar min, corn based cereals and oat based cereals seem to be fine, according to most rabbonim, for wheat based cereals yesh lachkoir if bran is different. *accepted modern application of this term seems to be; would it be served at a continental breakfast? |
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I have seen both Xmas cookies and Xmas chocolates in pas yisroel and cholov yisroel respectively. I assume the hechsher implies a halachic endorsement. But I'm wondering: What is an "Xmas man" and is it in any way more Xistian than a gingerbread man?
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I was under the strict impression that oleh al shulchan melochim is in regard to the food item not the way it is prepared. Can you cite a source to the contrary? (Is this what you mean by bosar tzurah?) This information would be very useful. |
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Actually, there are cases when actual bread would also be treated like bishul (without the leniencies of bishul), as explained in poskim etc. |
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"Strict impression"? I would think that the pashtus would be the opposite, though there are opinions either way. For sources, any recent sefer on these issues will bring all the (earlier) sources. VAKML.
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@Torah613
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