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Unread 06-16-2003, 08:23 AM   #1
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What are the sources about card playing? It is said (source?) that Rabbi Levi Yitzchok of Berditchev said that tum'a (impurity) rests on cards and one may not use them.

Didn't any of you grow up playing Rummy? Spit? War? with a real deck of cards (not Uno cards)?

If one is just playing a non-gambling game, or doing 'magic' tricks with them, is there a problem in using them?
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Unread 06-16-2003, 11:03 AM   #2
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You mean Lubavitchers don't play with cards? Really?
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Unread 06-16-2003, 11:24 AM   #3
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Re: Card Playing

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What are the sources about card playing? It is said (source?) that Rabbi Levi Yitzchok of Berditchev said that tum'a (impurity) rests on cards and one may not use them.
There are many other issues with cards, but the main one is that the figures are church and Xtian figures.
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Unread 06-16-2003, 11:26 AM   #4
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Re: Re: Card Playing

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There are many other issues with cards, but the main one is that the figures are church and Xtian figures.
Howso? King, Queen, Jack are ranks of nobility, which (most likely) predate the arrival of Xtianity in those lands.

Unless we're talking about different decks of cards
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Unread 06-16-2003, 12:22 PM   #5
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It is brought in Kdushas Levi from Reb Levi Yitzchak of Berditchev, that in every card there is a klippah unworthy of mentioning. This is brought down in Shevash Hamoadim hilchos Chanukah about cards.
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Unread 06-16-2003, 12:38 PM   #6
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(source?) that Rabbi Levi Yitzchok of Berditchev
brought is Misgeret HaShulchan to Kitzur Shulchan Arich by Chanukah
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Unread 06-16-2003, 04:59 PM   #7
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Re: Card Playing

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If one is just playing a non-gambling game, or doing 'magic' tricks with them, is there a problem in using them?
Regarding card-playing (mesacheik be'kubyah) without betting, see Sefer Chasidim, siman 1026; and Sefer Tzidkas ha'Tzadik, ois 259.

'Magic tricks', is another shayleh of course.
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Unread 06-16-2003, 05:02 PM   #8
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I thought mesacheik be'kubyah was dice playing?
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Unread 06-16-2003, 06:42 PM   #9
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I thought mesacheik be'kuvyah was dice playing?
You are right. Normally, that's how it is translated. But see the Bartenura on Rosh HaShana, ch. 1, mishnah 8, and Rashi ad loc, who explain that kuvyah were made out of pieces of bone. And see Shabbos 149b, where in fact kubiyah appears to refer to any game of chance. See also Tosefta on Sanhedrin, ch. 5, which suggests the same thing. By extrapolation then, includes card-playing (if gambling).

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Unread 07-13-2003, 08:40 PM   #10
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I have heard all that you say, but altogether, what is the actual source of non-gambling?
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Unread 07-13-2003, 10:54 PM   #11
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Gambling in Jewish Law
http://www.benporatyosef.org/etzahai...a/gambling.htm
(Sephardic perspective)
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Unread 07-14-2003, 02:03 AM   #12
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It is brought in Kdushas Levi from Reb Levi Yitzchak of Berditchev, that in every card there is a klippah unworthy of mentioning. This is brought down in Shevash Hamoadim hilchos Chanukah about cards
What are the implications for playing solitaire on the computer? After all, the images are the same ...
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Unread 07-14-2003, 05:39 AM   #13
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The implications are probably bittul Torah more than anything else!
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Unread 07-14-2003, 06:09 AM   #14
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Being female, I don't worry about that too much. As for just plain wasting time - well, so is minesweeper (and posting on Chabadtalk?) . My question was, if there is anything intrinsically Tamei about the images on the cards.
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Unread 07-14-2003, 09:42 AM   #15
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Levi Yitzhak of Berditchev, an eighteenth century hasidic rebbe...preached, "Know that each card has associated with it an evil cosmic force which it is better not to mention...,"
And that's from a website of the tnuat hamumarim.
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Unread 07-14-2003, 10:37 PM   #16
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i dont know the source but i heard that even looking at the cards can be spiritualy harmful
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Unread 07-14-2004, 04:25 PM   #17
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It is brought in Kdushas Levi from Reb Levi Yitzchak of Berditchev, that in every card there is a klippah unworthy of mentioning. This is brought down in Shevash Hamoadim hilchos Chanukah about cards.
Is that referring to the playing cards we have today? Or is it referring to what are known as Tarot cards?
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Unread 07-14-2004, 11:10 PM   #18
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Is that referring to the playing cards we have today? Or is it referring to what are known as Tarot cards?
My understanding is that is talking about korten which is yiddish for cards i.e. the stuff used in gambling. Tarot is a whole 'nother issue, which may involve issurim d'oraisa. The whole nichush/avodah zarah bit.
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In my family we weren't brought up playing with "those"cards. As far as Solitaire and Free Cell etc... same cards, same thing!

My father always told us that those were the cards they used to play with in church, and as Jews we don't follow the ways of the goyim.

(Uno cards were a big hit in my family!)
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לפי מש"כ כ"ק אדה"ז בשולחנו (ח"ג) הל' פסח סי' תמב סעי' וז"ל "וגם יש למנוע מלשחוק בפסח בקלפין הנקראין קארטין על השלחן שאוכלין עליו שמא יפרך מחמץ נוקשה שבהן לתוך המאכל", נראה שלפי שיטתו אינו ענין שלילי שיש למנוע ממנו כלל
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Unread 01-16-2008, 03:49 PM   #21
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לפי מש"כ כ"ק אדה"ז בשולחנו (ח"ג) הל' פסח סי' תמב סעי' וז"ל "וגם יש למנוע מלשחוק בפסח בקלפין הנקראין קארטין על השלחן שאוכלין עליו שמא יפרך מחמץ נוקשה שבהן לתוך המאכל", נראה שלפי שיטתו אינו ענין שלילי שיש למנוע ממנו בכלל
what you write isn't muchrach (klal) since the Alter Rebbe wrote the Shulchan aruch from a halachik standpoint, and not of the darkei uminhagei chassidim.
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Unread 01-16-2008, 03:55 PM   #22
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כפשוט, יש חילוק בין הלכה ומנהג
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*Kvitlach

Did the Rebbe adrress the issue of those playing Kvitlach*on Channukah?
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No. Though what is says in seforim, including sifrei halacha should be enough.
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Yes it is sufficient. It was just to know.
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