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Unread 08-11-2002, 07:19 AM   #226
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And a continuation: On the HASC concert series, there are a few non-Jewish songs which are not even excused by anything in particular! Ledugma:

HASC 1 - the Recorder Medley
HASC 5 - The Sabre Dance, Beethoven in Birdland, Avi Piamenta's song (I don't remember the name)
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Unread 08-15-2002, 06:17 PM   #227
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just out of curiousity...where are you getting this whole list?
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Unread 08-15-2002, 06:30 PM   #228
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lubmes, what is the origin of sulumbu some south american song on one of the what a wedding tapes?
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Unread 08-17-2002, 11:17 PM   #229
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Shlucha - in some cases from friends who are Baalei Teshuva. some from recognition (I don't Ch'V listen to goyish music, but when I was younger, I grew up in a not-frum environment with many fry friends. Having eppes a musical memory, I remember quite a bit.)

Downunda - living in a very South African community, I and several bochurim here have sung it at peoples' houses onm Shabbos, and a few have said they recognize it as on old Zulu song that means something about resting with the family on the weekend. (And it's called Su Sulanga - not sulumbu...)

To add to the list, every Dance with Neginah tape has a few non-Jewish songs (Zodiac, the Chicken Dance and others which I can't remember off hand - I don't have them in front of me.) Obviously, Titanic on Yaron Gershovsky's CD isn't Jewish either...
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have you ever heard this one? A friend of mine told me this, and she is ABSOLUTELY POSITIVE. Yknow the Piamenta's song 'Kol Hamisameach?' Well, I am told there is a goyishe song that is EXACTLY like that. Like, same 'nananas' and everything. She told me that the Jewish song came out first and then the goyishe one...like, the goyishe one copied the Jewish one or soemthing......?????
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Unread 08-18-2002, 07:31 PM   #231
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Shlucha, you are absolutely correct, was in a hospital visiting a friend and heard the song played on radio.
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Unread 08-18-2002, 07:32 PM   #232
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unless of course, the goyim copied piamenta......!
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Unread 08-18-2002, 08:49 PM   #233
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yeah, my friend is absolutely POSITIVE that the goyim copied Piamentas!
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Unread 08-18-2002, 09:22 PM   #234
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i mean its no different to the goyim copying piamentas asher boro!!!
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Unread 08-18-2002, 11:00 PM   #235
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no, but how could the goyim have compied piamentas, anyway? I mean, it's not as if they sit around and listen to Jewish music and then hear a tune they like, and say, hey, I'm going to take that tune and put some words to that with a goyishe taam, and I'll make a lot of money! I mean, there is so little Jewish music out there. It would be much more likely for them to listen to otehr goyishe music to get ideas!!!
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Unread 08-18-2002, 11:05 PM   #236
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I "think" that downunda was joking - Asher Boro is NOT a Piamenta original.
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Unread 08-18-2002, 11:08 PM   #237
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tukke?????!!!!!!
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Unread 08-18-2002, 11:15 PM   #238
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Mates, I got news for you - the original of Piamentas' Kol Hamesameach is TURKISH. The English, Ivrit, Russian and Piamenta versions are all copies off of the original TURKISH song, and Asher Bara is NOT an original - the original is "Land Down Under". (EVery Aussie knows that!!!)
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Unread 08-18-2002, 11:29 PM   #239
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k, then vus, downunda, I TOTALLY missed that....care to explain...?

k, thanks, Luba, that really explains!!
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Unread 08-18-2002, 11:49 PM   #240
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Shlucha , not to worry , my comments were as vus said made only in jest!
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Unread 08-19-2002, 05:38 AM   #241
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Chevra, here on shlichus, I've made a following to Piamenta - it's GREAT to see frye kids going out of their keilim hearing awesome Jewish music! More details later...
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certain music seems a bit like the poro aduma it can be metaher temaim as lubmes writes, but can also......
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Unread 08-19-2002, 07:54 PM   #243
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Cute way of putting it...!
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Unread 08-19-2002, 09:43 PM   #244
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Good point! Oh, another update - a friend tells me that the intro to AVraham Yagel is from a song called "The Eye of the Tiger". Is that Fried's problem, or Moshe Laufer - who (i think) arranged that tape? O well...
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I posted this before, but it seemed like it got lost in a very controversial discussion. So I'll repeat, because Luba, if anyone would know, I think it would be you.

Someone told me that Avraham Fried's "My Fellow Jew" was originally a goyishe love song. When I posted that, someone told me that that is absolutely not true. When I went back to the original person, they told me that they were sure of their story. So...what's the real story?
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Unread 08-20-2002, 02:12 AM   #246
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i think that whether it is of goyishe origins (while it makes for an interesting discussion) is not the deciding factor, rather the deciding point should be does it have jewish taam or goyish taam.

In other words even if its an original song it still sounds very goysih, and the fact that one can have such a KS'D indicates that something is lacking (or overly present!).
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It's pretty unfortunate being the mayven of goyishe music... Oh well... But I've never heard of such a thing, and the many people who I force to listen to my music in m y car have never said anything, so I dunno any more than that.
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I am no maivin in music, but why do they need to look to goyishe tunes, aren't there enough chassidishe tunes for them to draw on??
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Unread 08-21-2002, 07:59 AM   #249
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The question might be what makes a song a "chasidishe tune" - the words? The niggun? The singer? How it's sung? I'm of course talking about new niggunim, not the niggunim which we have bimisoro from the Rabbeim and from chassidim.
One more point, sometimes, when trying to attract people to yiddishkeit I get the feeling that we cater down to them to attract them, instead of trying to draw them up. If you are trying to reach them on an emotional level, I think a geshmake chasidishe niggun will do this, and we don't have to show them that we have meshugina songs just like they do.
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DTL, thats a good idea in theory, but the fact is that it usually doesn't work. It might work on some people, either adults or kids, who are more thoughtful people who can appreciate the song for what its worth. But the general public who we are mekarving is unfortunately not like that. You run the risk of boring them, which is not a very good idea so early in the "mekarving stage" (I'd say turning them off, but I doubt anyone willb e turned of by listening to a niggun once or twice).
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