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Unread 02-15-2008, 08:10 AM   #1
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Allowing one's tefillin straps to hang down the floor

Some people are under the impression that it's some sort of chumra not to allow one's tefillin straps to hang down on to uthe floor when laying them and removing them. To me such hanging is repulsive, but I'm not a Rov. Does anyone know what the din is here?
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Unread 02-15-2008, 08:38 AM   #2
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IN SA does not say anywhere that is an Isur (IIRC)
I think that it is a common sense reaction (to treat with respect)
Manny ppl hold that floor of 770 is also makom kadosh,some ppl extend this to other BM or Shuls
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Unread 02-15-2008, 09:08 AM   #3
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What nareshkeit - do they also place seforim on the "makom kodosh" floor?
Legufo shel inyon - I would think it is a kal vechomor from Tzitzis, see SA AR 21:5.
If you were a Tzanzer you would know that there was a Ropshitz/Tzanzer/Shinava mesora to have it drag a drop on the floor a bit when removing them - a kabbalistic minhog להבאים לסוד השם, see דרכי חיים ושלום in the השמטות.
Pashtus of halocho is not to do that, וכנ"ל, though poskim say if it happened, no kaporo is needed.
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Unread 02-15-2008, 09:15 AM   #4
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this idea of makom kadosh (as bedieved) is the answer that I was given when I asked to a o RY "How some ppl let the straps ...."
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Unread 02-15-2008, 09:31 AM   #5
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WADR - nareshkeit without any source AFAIK. Probably said as a joke.
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Unread 02-15-2008, 10:02 AM   #6
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he did not tell me that it was a Makom kadosh. He told me that these ppl hold thai is a makom kadosh
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Unread 02-15-2008, 10:19 AM   #7
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I heard from Reb Mendel Futerfas that when the Rebbe Rashab saw retzuos on the floor, he shouted תפילין וואלגערען זיך אויף דער ערד (Tefillin are dragged on the ground)
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Unread 02-17-2008, 08:10 PM   #8
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very interesting T613! His source is taka interesting.
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Unread 02-18-2008, 12:41 AM   #9
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In שערי הלכה ומנהג ח' א on page 63 the Rebbe speaks about the length of the Retzu'ois, The רבי brings from the פע"ח , טוב שישים כדי שלא יגיעו לארץ
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Unread 02-25-2008, 06:48 PM   #10
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עיין קיצור של"ה. ערוך השולחן מ,א. ואם בציצית שהן רק "תשמישי מצוה" (ואפילו לא "תשמישי קדושה") אסור לגרור אותם על הארץ משום ביזוי מצוה (שוע"ר כא,ה) מכל שכן רצועות התפילין שהן "תשמישי קדושה" (ראה שוע"ר מב,ו). ולהעיר משער הכוונות סוף דרושי תפילין שראוי לשים הרצועות של-ראש באבנט כדי שלא יגיעו לארץ. וכ"כ באשל אברהם סי' קנד סעי' ג, ראה שם. כו
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Unread 02-25-2008, 07:19 PM   #11
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this idea of makom kadosh (as bedieved) is the answer that I was given when I asked to a o RY "How some ppl let the straps ...."
mistake

I asked him about the tzitzis
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Unread 02-25-2008, 07:22 PM   #12
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הק"ו מציצית בשו"ע אדה"ז כבר כתבתי לעיל, וכן רמזתי להפוסקים (הא"ר כו') שמבואר האיסור אבל כתבו שאין צריכים כפרה בשביל זה
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Unread 01-09-2012, 12:39 PM   #14
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I was just davening in a MO shull in Teaneck, NJ, and when I was putting on Rabbeinu Tam, some guy came to me and said: "We were just learning not to drag retzuos on the floor." I wasn't able to ask him at the time where he was learning it. But it sounded like he had a source. But if it doesn't say that in Mishna Brura or SA, where was the source from? Could he have said this if he was relying on a kal vechomor from hilchos tzitzis? (I am not disputing, just wondering.)
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