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Unread 11-22-2006, 12:49 AM   #1
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Hefsek between shel yad and shel rosh

if someone was mafsik between shel yad and shel rosh when he was already holding the shel rosh on top of his head, does he have to make another bracha or do we say that it's already on his head because kluta is kmi shehuncha damya? how do we pasken?
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Unread 11-22-2006, 11:14 AM   #2
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I believe the svoro of kluto there (from " IIRC?) is a (strange) daas yochid.
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Unread 11-22-2006, 06:47 PM   #3
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dunno it's first mokor. i saw it in ba'er heitev on OC 25. i also - by chance - came across a teshuva which discusses this in shu"t mishpotecha lyaakiv siman 1.
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Yes, the " brings from the ", who does not come to a maskono.
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Unread 09-27-2011, 04:49 PM   #5
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Practically speaking, the Alter Rebbe says that the Hiduk is Tchilas Asiyasa (25 17), so if he spoke anytime before -like right after the bayis touches his head- he has to make the Brocho on the Shel Rosh.

Maybe that opinion would hold that Hiduk is not Tchilas Asiyasa and that you make the Brocho before it is put on the head when there is a hefsek right after it touches the head.

Though then the (unconnected to the original topic of this thread) question arises why did the BH bring it, the Rama holds clearly that the brocho is after hanocho before hiduk, and if the Rama holds like this tzad of the safeik that Hiduk is not Tchialas Asiyasa why wouldn't you make the brocho before you put it on according to him (maybe you could bdieved according to the Rama?). BH brings it according to the Mechaber who though he doesn't hold that the brocho is before hiduk, since he holds the brocho on the shel yad takes care of the shel rosh, but still why would he differ from the Rama in a case like this where there is a question about a brocho because of a hefsek. What do you think?

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