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Unread 02-14-2011, 09:48 PM   #1
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Three steps back before Shmonei Esrei

My father-in-law asked the following question: is there any significance, according to Chassidus, in taking the three steps back before the S"E? The important bit, it seems, is taking three steps forward before S"E (approaching the King) and three steps back at the end of S"E (backing away from the King).

So, the reason for the three steps back before S"E is so that one davens S"E at the same place he was davening the rest, but when one is standing davening with his back against the wall, is there any reason for him to walk forward, so that he can take three steps back? Or he can just take three steps forward and start davening? (Also, if one gets up to daven at the bima... does one have to approach the bima, then take three steps back, and then forward, or can he just take three steps forward towards the bima?)
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Unread 02-14-2011, 11:30 PM   #2
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I would think the 3 steps forward is enough.
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Unread 10-06-2011, 12:52 AM   #3
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(Also, if one gets up to daven at the bima... does one have to approach the bima, then take three steps back, and then forward, or can he just take three steps forward towards the bima?)
According to the Yesh Oimrim in 123 4 in the Alter Rebbe's Shulchan Aruch, three steps forward are required after tfila blachash for a seperate reason. So if the chazzan is required to take three steps forward before his repitition, then it would have to be repeated separately.

What do you mean by "according to Chasiddus,"?
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Unread 10-06-2011, 07:38 AM   #4
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I see no reason why the 3 steps the Chazan takes to start the repetition SE cannot be the same (second) 3 steps he takes as a conclusion of his own SE. .
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Unread 10-26-2011, 06:32 PM   #5
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I see no reason why the 3 steps the Chazan takes to start the repetition SE cannot be the same (second) 3 steps he takes as a conclusion of his own SE.
I have not yet even seen a clear Makor for the Chazan having to take any steps forward before starting his repetition (aside from the technical aspect). Maybe you could provide that.
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Unread 10-26-2011, 09:19 PM   #6
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M'svoro - why would the minhog by the Chazan be different then any other SE? The reason (in 95:2) would be the same.
[For fun - see Rambam Tfillo 9:3 and Kesef Mishna. AR 105:1].
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Unread 10-09-2011, 05:54 PM   #7
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What do you mean by "according to Chasiddus,"?
I meant: does Chassidus ascribe any specific significance to the three steps before one starts davening and the three steps after one finishes?
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