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Unread 01-07-2006, 09:47 PM   #1
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Contacting Yaakov

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I was asked the following question, and I don't believe I'm aware of the answer, either that or I have forgoten it, so I turn to you CT'ers for your insight.
"Why durring all those years, did Yosef never try contacting Yaakov Avinu?"
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Unread 01-07-2006, 10:09 PM   #2
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I was asked the following question, and I don't believe I'm aware of the answer, either that or I have forgoten it, so I turn to you CT'ers for your insight.
"Why durring all those years, did Yosef never try contacting Yaakov Avinu?"
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Didn't the brothers enact a cherem against anyone who would inform him? (That was the reason that Itzchak didn't tell him, and possibly even the Abeshter as well)
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Unread 01-07-2006, 10:13 PM   #3
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Ramban asks the same question. He answers by saying that Yosef wanted to fulful the dream that he had earlier. Yosef wanted to do everything in it's proper time in order to fulfil the dreams.
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Unread 01-07-2006, 10:29 PM   #4
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LS v 10 Miketz (1).
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Unread 01-07-2006, 11:08 PM   #5
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LS v 10 Miketz (1).
Can you tell me what's written there?
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Unread 01-08-2006, 09:56 AM   #6
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Why not look it up?
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Unread 01-08-2006, 04:23 PM   #7
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I don't have the set of LS with me...
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Unread 01-08-2006, 06:53 PM   #8
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Unread 01-08-2006, 08:07 PM   #9
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The Rebbe explains there that Rashi answered the question in the previous sedra at the time of the mechiras yosef, when the shvotim made a cherem against anyone who would tell yakkov and they inculded hashem in it for number 10.

The rebbe explains that the cherem was davka against the people who were PART of it, not anyone else, but yet we see that Yiztchok did not want to tell Yaakov because he saw with ruach hakodesh that Hashem did not want to tell Yaakov.

the Rebbe stresses on the wording that Hashem did not WANT to tell, rather that Hashem was FORBIDDEN to due to the cherem. Hashem did not have to include himself in the cherem, since you cannot force anyone into a cherem to be the number 10 if he/she does not want to. Yet, Hashem respected the shvotim's wishes. Why? Because the way the shvotim made their cherem was as follows: they agreed among themselves that none of them would tell Yaakov so that their relationship with Yaakov would not be destroyed. They agreed among themselves that it will be up to Hashem as when the right time will be for Yaakov to find out, or if they all agree together to tell Yaakov.

Therefore, Hashem did not WANT to tell Yaakov, fo rthe right time had not arrived yet, 22 years of suffering Yaakov had to endure to compensate for leaving home for 22 years. Yitzchok, seeing this with ruach hakodesh, followed Hashem's example. The Rebbe says, the same with Yosef, who saw that Hashem did not want to tell Yaakov, so he kept his silence, until he sensed it was the righ time.
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Unread 01-10-2006, 03:01 AM   #10
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so he kept his silence, until he sensed it was the righ time.
How was the relationship with Yaakov's other sons impacted by what he now knows?
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relationship between who and who???
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Unread 01-10-2006, 05:03 PM   #12
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I think "so" means to to ask if the relationship between Yaakov and his other sons was affected once he found out what they did to Yosef....
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it does not say anywhere, as far as i know, that yaakov knew that his sons were the ones who sold yosef into slavery
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it does not say anywhere, as far as i know, that yaakov knew that his sons were the ones who sold yosef into slavery
I have two questions:
1) Could Yaakov really not figure this out? There are so many stories of Gedolim being able to understand or know something that was never told to them (like stories of people coming to the Rebbe and the Rebbe gave them an answer without them even saying their problem). Yaakov was a Navi and a Gadol of Gedolim. Why couldn't he see what was going on?

2) If Yaakov did not know that the brothers sold Yosef, then there are other questions that need to be asked. How did Yosef get down there and why didn't he send notice as to his where-abouts? Wouldn't Yaakov have wanted an answer to why his beloved son has been gone for so long?
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As to 1), simple: Hashem didn't want him to.
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Unread 01-11-2006, 08:13 PM   #16
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As to 1), simple: Hashem didn't want him to.
That's a reasonable enough answer. I think that by Yaakov not knowing the bad details it made the transition smoother for the move down to Mitzrayim.
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