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Unread 08-30-2004, 10:39 AM   #26
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Actually, two months is more than enough time to do it. Those who take longer are just stretching it out.
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Unread 08-30-2004, 10:46 AM   #27
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Obviously, it depends on how one learns it.
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Unread 08-30-2004, 11:20 AM   #28
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torah613, a boy who has completed dayanis is someone who is very capable intellectualy. it isnt for the average head. it is not , g-d forbid, to simply "pass time"!!! yet since (like zaraza pointed out) the lubavitch smicha is not to be asked questioned but to know the questions to ask...some bochurim might just do it to "pass time".
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Unread 08-30-2004, 11:32 AM   #29
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I disagree...
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Unread 08-30-2004, 11:45 AM   #30
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what are you basing your opinion on?
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Unread 08-30-2004, 12:02 PM   #31
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degree of difficulty and ability is determined by who is doing the testing and giving the semicha/dayanus, rather than whether it is semicha or dayanus
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Unread 08-30-2004, 12:34 PM   #32
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Shoyn - well said.
Do you remember the good 'ole days, when the most important part of the testing process was to have the shaalo sheets - whether for smicha or dayonus?
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Unread 08-30-2004, 12:39 PM   #33
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Semichah institutions were started after Gimmel Tammuz for those who wanted to get out of New York for obvious reasons, as before that no average bochur, and certainly not one interested in learning, would consider leaving the Rebbe other than for their year or two of Shlichus.
whats the obvous reasons? the fact is when your in a program outside of your home town you learn better!
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Unread 08-30-2004, 12:56 PM   #34
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degree of difficulty and ability is determined by who is doing the testing and giving the semicha/dayanus, rather than whether it is semicha or dayanus
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Unread 08-30-2004, 01:30 PM   #35
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Actually, two months is more than enough time to do it. Those who take longer are just stretching it out.
Two months is more than enough time to learn Taruvos, bossor becolov, melicha, treifos (or whatever else) [plus hoisofos] !? (unless you mean without knowing it....)
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Unread 08-30-2004, 01:37 PM   #36
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There's knowing and there's knowing.
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Unread 08-30-2004, 03:15 PM   #37
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There's knowing and there's knowing.
I think that exactly is the difference between all the smicha programs! There are many in abundance..but the ones that actually teach you how to know are not the ones that are blooming.
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Unread 08-30-2004, 06:30 PM   #38
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<Do you remember the good 'ole days, when the most important part of the testing process was to have the shaalo sheets - whether for smicha or dayonus?>

torah, we really need a rememeber when thread!
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Unread 08-30-2004, 06:57 PM   #39
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Two months is more than enough time to learn Taruvos, bossor becolov, melicha, treifos (or whatever else) [plus hoisofos] !? (unless you mean without knowing it....)
For a masmid who actually learns inside of wasting time in Seder over it? Yes, that's normal. For others, there was always after marriage to finish. But no one other than those with Rabbonishe aspirations started Semicha immediately following Shlichus.
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Unread 08-30-2004, 07:10 PM   #40
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i sure hope there aren't people out there paskening based on a 2 month semicha program
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Unread 08-30-2004, 11:00 PM   #41
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For a masmid who actually learns inside of wasting time in Seder over it? Yes, that's normal. For others, there was always after marriage to finish. But no one other than those with Rabbonishe aspirations started Semicha immediately following Shlichus.
I will not argue as it [seems it] will be pointless...just one question [out of curiosity] is this together with the Tur and Beis Yosef ?
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Unread 08-30-2004, 11:21 PM   #42
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i sure hope there aren't people out there paskening based on a 2 month semicha program
Lol... shows this guy doesn't exactly mean what he says(or says what he knows?<*ed.)...
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Unread 08-30-2004, 11:49 PM   #43
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Bittul - can you give us an idea what years (approx) you are talking about. Nisht in meyna tzeiten (or maybe I'm just dumb).
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Unread 08-31-2004, 12:25 AM   #44
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or young...
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Unread 08-31-2004, 06:15 AM   #45
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see sicho of the Rebbe yud gimmel tamuz 5712 P 68 and on for some very interesting points relating to this discussion
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Unread 09-03-2004, 02:55 PM   #46
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There is a sicha 24 Teves 5712 where the Rebbe says all bachurim who are capable should get smicha before the chasunah because shailos come up and you can't run every few minutes to a Rav.
The Rebbe says that the Friedike Rebbe told him that he got before his chasunah and he knew that the Rebbe would be mifarsem it altz a horaa for everyone.
Then the Rebbe told R' Pikarski (the Rosh Yeshivah) that mistameh er vet matir'n the Bachurim so it shouldn't be in a way lo yaggati.
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Unread 09-14-2004, 06:57 PM   #47
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A little out of place, but I want to add the following;

I think whats good about the Semicha programs, is that Bochurim who are serious/not serious about learning in general, go out with something they Learnt, and Koched in that time from 2 months-2 years, and to poshut do the rebbe's Ratzzoin of -doing semicha!
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Unread 09-14-2004, 09:08 PM   #48
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I think one of the problems is [please, I don't mean anyone specifically] that people are "doing" semicha instead of learning Shulchan Aruch and then "getting" semicha...
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Unread 09-26-2004, 05:57 PM   #49
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you had posted 613 replys already!
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Unread 10-31-2004, 07:37 PM   #50
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Some s'micha programs are more demanding than others...some also offer lectures from dayanim about practical rebbonus, shaylas that specifically arise in shlichus situations, visits to factories that are being kashered, slaughter-houses, etc...
Other s'micha programs have a reputation of being a 'good place to go if you want a vacation'....Sadly, way too much emphasis is put upon one's reputation and staying in the system, just so not to mess up one's shiduchim...Still, even the more laid-back s'micha completing bachurim improve in their hanhagas...less sloppy about kashrus drinking cold milchig stuff over a fleishig tablecloth...and they know tons more about practical halachos than, say, their Momma's...I hate being ridiculed that my shaylas I ask a Rov are pointless or stupid...what a pity that the halochos of kibud av v'eim are not included in any fahehr...or, perhaps, is that in the fifth chelek of shulchan aruch called Common Sense?
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