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Unread 05-21-2003, 05:01 PM   #1
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Who's Worth What and Why

so how would you satisfactorily explain perek 27 of Bechukosai to your Chumash class so that women don't walk out on you, you know, the part that talks about vows that are made according to how people are evaluated monetarily:

a male from age 20-60: 50 silver shekel
a female: 30 shekel

a male from 5-20: 20 shekel
a female: 10 shekel

a male from a month old to 5: 5 shekel
a female: 3 shekel

a male over 60: 15 shekel
a woman: 10 shekel

and while you're at it, how would you explain the Rashi here that says, "as she grows old, a woman is closer to being considered like a man (therefore a man diminishes more than 1/3 of his value but a woman only 1/3) ..." without getting tomatoes thrown at you?
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Unread 05-21-2003, 05:08 PM   #2
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in the torah/halacha the value of humans is based on how much their worth as slaves. a man is worth as a slave more than a woman because he is physically stronger. it has nothing to do with the real value of a life.
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Unread 05-21-2003, 05:13 PM   #3
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Women are simply more efficient. They cost less and produce more.
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Unread 05-21-2003, 08:21 PM   #4
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Like a soup. If my wife makes a good soup, it will serve us all. How fortunate am I. And she cleans up efficiently too.
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Unread 05-21-2003, 08:24 PM   #5
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Like a soup. If my wife makes a good soup, it will serve us all. How fortunate am I. And she cleans up efficiently too.
She cooks and cleans up?! I should have married a Lubavitcher woman.
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Unread 05-21-2003, 08:27 PM   #6
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You sure are missing out, she even lets me stay out to farbreng.
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Unread 05-21-2003, 08:55 PM   #7
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You sure are missing out, she even lets me stay out to farbreng.
She lets you stay out....she lets you go out?!
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Unread 05-22-2003, 02:00 AM   #8
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<Women are simply more efficient. They cost less>

cost less? definitely not in the long run!
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Unread 05-22-2003, 01:15 PM   #9
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There are more women in the world, so they therefore cost less- something about the laws of supply and demand?
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Unread 05-22-2003, 04:22 PM   #10
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HEI AND THE POWER OF WOMEN

I read somewhere that the last letter "hei" within the shem hameforash renders the Holy name femine. There is obvious more to women than soup or how well she cleans up ect.ect.
Perhaps a cost can be put on a physical worth, but the womens greatest strength cannot be seen or valued. We must be careful not to underestimate these wonderful creatures.
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Unread 05-22-2003, 08:54 PM   #11
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very funny, but seriously, i don't think her chumash class will go for that. even in my class in frum high everyone would be like excuse me, so imagine in the non frum world who is really into not being second class citizens. but i guess it does make sorta sense about the slaves thing, it still doesn't sound so nice but i think it could work. who do u give classes to?
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Unread 05-23-2003, 08:22 PM   #12
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A group of bucherim once asked my Rosh Yeshivah how to explain to women various such statements in Torah. He said the following:

There's a well known story with the Alter Rebbe, that while imprisoned by the Russians they asked him the famous twenty one questions. When they asked him the final question, which was how the AR could say he that Goyem only do things for their own self good etc, he smiled.

The Interrogators thought he meant "I answered all of your other questions so well, do you really want to know how you don't do things for true good?" The AR, however, smiled because he knew they weren't able to understand.

If a lady asks you a question just smile.
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Unread 05-25-2003, 09:13 AM   #13
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Re: Who's Worth What and Why

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so how would you satisfactorily explain perek 27 of Bechukosai to your Chumash class so that women don't walk out on you,
I would not teach that to someone who doesn't yet clasp their hands together and bow their head while saying Modeh Ani.
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Unread 05-25-2003, 09:46 AM   #14
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but you'd better have an answer for your mekuravos who learn Chitas!

and Mordechai: if she calls on the phone, smiles won't work well ...
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Unread 05-25-2003, 05:33 PM   #15
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get a video phone or an answering machine
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Unread 05-29-2003, 12:33 PM   #16
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but you'd better have an answer for your mekuravos who learn Chitas!
It's like the story where the Alter Rebbe told the Misnagdishe Rov, that the question of repeating Yaale VeYavo on Rosh Chodesh will make no difference, because the Alter Rebbe wont forget the first time he says Shmone Esre, and the Rov wont remember to say it even on the second time...

If they are up to saying Chitas, they wont be having that question. It fits within the framework of Torah, and most people who are learning Chitas will already be within the framework of Torah.
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Unread 05-29-2003, 01:17 PM   #17
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She cooks and cleans up?! I should have married a Lubavitcher woman.
Then how are you one?
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Unread 06-09-2003, 12:43 PM   #18
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i know everyones being very sarcastic on this thread about women but its disgusting how you view women. and also to say they on the chitas level etc etc.. is a terrible answer. if you know torah so well then you are sposed to sit aND LOOK DEEPER AND REALLY STUDY IT. SURELY THERE MUST BE MEFORSHIM AND CHASSIDUS ON THINGS WRITTEN LIKE THAT! otherwise most women would give up torah if theres no explanantion to tthat.
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Unread 06-10-2003, 02:10 AM   #19
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quest- dont get so worked up about it, that's what they want! besides for that, it's just plain useless. religious guys will always be chauvanists b/c of all the outward stuff they get to do (jewishwise) that women don't. They just don't realise or appreciate the true quality of women. I'd like to see one of them have a baby!
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Unread 06-10-2003, 02:25 AM   #20
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Take it from me. Non-religious guys are, on the average, just as chauvinist if not moreso.
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Unread 06-10-2003, 03:06 AM   #21
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i wasn't saying that u find it more among religious men than not. people ususally expect higher standards from religious ppl and i was just explaining to quest that nevertheless, religious males are still incredibaly, distastefully chauvanistic.
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Lubavitchers must be the LEAST chauvenistic of all Frum males. After all, ask anyone else to expound for hours on the Maalos of women... with all the Rebbe's Sichos on the topic, any Lubab can give a whole Drasha on it!
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Unread 06-10-2003, 05:27 AM   #23
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CAN but wouldn't.
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Unread 06-11-2003, 01:58 PM   #24
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Lubavitchers must be the LEAST chauvenistic of all Frum males. After all, ask anyone else to expound for hours on the Maalos of women... with all the Rebbe's Sichos on the topic, any Lubab can give a whole Drasha on it!
I could show you many L's who could darshen hours on end about limud hatorah and the maaloh of nigleh, and haven't opened a sefer (or better: a Gommoro) in years or decades...

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Unread 06-11-2003, 03:55 PM   #25
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It's like the story where the Alter Rebbe told the Misnagdishe Rov, that the question of repeating Yaale VeYavo on Rosh Chodesh will make no difference, because the Alter Rebbe wont forget the first time he says Shmone Esre, and the Rov wont remember to say it even on the second time...

This is a story about the Ba'al shem tov not the AR.
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