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Unread 08-27-2004, 12:13 AM   #1
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Semicha Programs

Why is it a new thing in chabad?
where was this idea 20 years ago!
before Gimmel Tammuz there was not one semicha program around!

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Unread 08-27-2004, 01:01 AM   #2
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Re: Semicha Programs

What? whats the question?
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Unread 08-27-2004, 05:55 PM   #3
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Re: Semicha Programs

What exactly are you asking about?
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Unread 08-29-2004, 03:27 PM   #4
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Re: Semicha Programs

Its a true point that there are many more smicha programs than ever. Yet the reason they are being established is because the Rebbe encouraged all bochurim to learn for smicha. It doesnt really make a difference when they were established, before or after gimmel tamuz! What i find interesting about all the new smicha programs is the boys who attend. They have not all attended a proper yeshiva the year before, yet suddenly they constuct a group and find a rabbi and wow, its a smicha program. Isnt it a little misleading?
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Unread 08-29-2004, 03:38 PM   #5
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Re: Semicha Programs

It just waters down the semichah further and further.
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Unread 08-29-2004, 03:43 PM   #6
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Re: Semicha Programs

all smicha we have these days is "watered down"...and besides, not every boy even in a proper smicha program takes it seriously because in lubavitch since smicha is so common not just an average boy can be considered a Rabbi. So ultimately it seems that for a boy, of any kind, to be in a smicha program, of any kind, is a good thing because its keeping him away from alot of other things...and anyways he wont have to rely on his knowledge!
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Unread 08-29-2004, 03:51 PM   #7
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Re: Semicha Programs

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all smicha we have these days is "watered down"...and besides, not every boy even in a proper smicha program takes it seriously because in lubavitch since smicha is so common not just an average boy can be considered a Rabbi. So ultimately it seems that for a boy, of any kind, to be in a smicha program, of any kind, is a good thing because its keeping him away from alot of other things...and anyways he wont have to rely on his knowledge!
Whadya mean keeping him away?? At that age nothing helps keep you away...
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Unread 08-29-2004, 04:05 PM   #8
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of course being preoccupied by something keeps you away! even if you are at an age where u will do whatever it regardless, at least your not doing it as often as you might!
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Unread 08-29-2004, 04:56 PM   #9
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This is the first time Ive ever heard this is why a smicha program should be opened...
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Unread 08-29-2004, 06:16 PM   #10
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all smicha we have these days is "watered down"...and besides, not every boy even in a proper smicha program takes it seriously because in lubavitch since smicha is so common not just an average boy can be considered a Rabbi. So ultimately it seems that for a boy, of any kind, to be in a smicha program, of any kind, is a good thing because its keeping him away from alot of other things...and anyways he wont have to rely on his knowledge!
But then what is the point of semichah if he can't be relied upon to know what was on the semichah test?
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Unread 08-29-2004, 06:43 PM   #11
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its for the boys to know the concepts. you cannot actually ask any stam bochur who has smicha for a halachic ruling! in most bochurim, you look upon a bochur who has also learnt dayanis as one who can be asked question
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Unread 08-29-2004, 06:45 PM   #12
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Then where do you get a dayan?
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Unread 08-29-2004, 06:51 PM   #13
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lol. maybe we dont really need alot of dayanim!
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Unread 08-29-2004, 07:22 PM   #14
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What i find interesting about all the new smicha programs is the boys who attend. They have not all attended a proper yeshiva the year before, yet suddenly they constuct a group and find a rabbi and wow, its a smicha program. Isnt it a little misleading?
It usually works the other way around...

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of course being preoccupied by something keeps you away! even if you are at an age where u will do whatever it regardless, at least your not doing it as often as you might!
Just keep in mind that you are talking about an age that in other neighborhoods they are (getting or are) married already...

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Unread 08-29-2004, 09:57 PM   #15
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so just by quoting me you it seems that you are mocking me. what makes you think everything i said is not the truth? your being so mean to me. tell me, what smicha program did you attend?
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Unread 08-29-2004, 10:25 PM   #16
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First if I came across as mocking you I beg your forgiveness I did not intend to c"v mock you...But at the same time I did mean to comment on what you said (btw how just by quoting did I seem to mock you ?)

As to your question...My policy is usually not to answer any of these types of questions on the forum but I will answer this time...None (but I still think I am qualified to comment...).
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Unread 08-29-2004, 10:58 PM   #17
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its for the boys to know the concepts. you cannot actually ask any stam bochur who has smicha for a halachic ruling! in most bochurim, you look upon a bochur who has also learnt dayanis as one who can be asked question
I have no idea what this means (probably a result of my never having done dayanis...).
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Unread 08-29-2004, 11:03 PM   #18
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i thought a smicha program is in order to get a marriage license..
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Unread 08-29-2004, 11:09 PM   #19
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No - smicha is the marriage license...
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Unread 08-29-2004, 11:54 PM   #20
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Re: Semicha Programs

Someone once said that it used to be in Russia no one had semicha but even the vaiber knew the halachos and today everyone has semicha but no one knows the halachos .
The Rebbe made a shturem about it that all bachurim should get not to pasken but rather to know if something is a shaila that should be asked of a Rav.By misnagdim they learn until they get married (unless they left yeshivah to work) in Lubavitch once u finish shlichus u learn semicha then u finished the system. It wasn't always like this but ...bou vnachsov chesbono shel olam.

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I have no idea what this means (probably a result of my never having done dayanis...).
if the bochur "has" dayonus it means he cares and really learnt smicha.
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Unread 08-30-2004, 12:53 AM   #22
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its for the boys to know the concepts. you cannot actually ask any stam bochur who has smicha for a halachic ruling! in most bochurim, you look upon a bochur who has also learnt dayanis as one who can be asked question
The point of Smicha isn't really to make any Halachic decisions... Its to know when there is a question or not...
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Unread 08-30-2004, 08:55 AM   #23
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if the bochur "has" dayonus it means he cares and really learnt smicha.
Or maybe "finished" smicha, is bored and has nothing else to do.
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Unread 08-30-2004, 10:07 AM   #24
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Semicha used to be done quickly before marriage during engagement, or after marriage. Semichah institutions were started after Gimmel Tammuz for those who wanted to get out of New York for obvious reasons, as before that no average bochur, and certainly not one interested in learning, would consider leaving the Rebbe other than for their year or two of Shlichus.
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Unread 08-30-2004, 10:32 AM   #25
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Semicha used to be done quickly before marriage during engagement...
When was this...?There is poshut not enough time to do it.
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