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Unread 02-28-2006, 01:12 AM   #51
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have you ever heard of a ger toshav?
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Unread 02-28-2006, 01:17 AM   #52
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have you ever heard of a ger toshav?
From one of my publications:

"Gerei toshav" is a term that refers to Non-Jews who do not worship idols. Provided they observe the seven laws of Bnei Noach, with an understanding that those laws come from the Torah, they may live in Israel and even own land. In essence they are to be treated as Jews. Rambam, Laws of Kings, 10


Sounds as if Rambam wrote the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution.
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Unread 02-28-2006, 01:25 AM   #53
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so, there you have your answer!

which publications do you publish?
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Unread 02-28-2006, 01:54 AM   #54
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so, there you have your answer!

which publications do you publish?
Mostly law books such as this one I published a few years ago.

http://www.lawgame.net/pdf/spci.pdf

The quotation above concerning gerei toshav is from a treatise I am writing on a Torah based constitutional monarchy called "The King of Israel."
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Unread 02-28-2006, 08:13 AM   #55
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"Gerei toshav" is a term that refers to Non-Jews who do not worship idols. Provided they observe the seven laws of Bnei Noach, with an understanding that those laws come from the Torah, they may live in Israel and even own land. In essence they are to be treated as Jews. Rambam, Laws of Kings, 10
I thought Ger Toshav were those who were converted to Judaism, and there fore were required to keep the whole Torah.
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Unread 02-28-2006, 08:19 AM   #56
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I thought Ger Toshav were those who were converted to Judaism, and there fore were required to keep the whole Torah.
http://www.noachite.org.uk/ger_toshav.htm
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Unread 02-28-2006, 05:23 PM   #57
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Ok if the Ger toshav is the noahide then what is the Hebrew word for the one who is converting and lives in Israel. I know some say it is stranger within, but I wanting the Hebrew words if you have them.
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Unread 02-28-2006, 06:11 PM   #58
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My understanding is that one is ger toshav while converting. Once he appears before the bet din and is converted he is Yehudim. No distinction is made between a converted Jew and other Jews.
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Unread 02-28-2006, 08:58 PM   #59
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Then what is the proselyte spoken of in Num. 15:15-16?

Never mind. I should have payed closer attention to the word. "Convert"
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Unread 03-03-2006, 01:15 AM   #60
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Mil, you state that you wish to defend Judaism against the charge that it is ethnocentric. Logically, one only sees fit to defend against a charge viewed as negative. Yet, certainly you are aware of the fact that ALL belief systems, by their very nature, assume superiority. This is proved by the fact that they make VALUE JUDGMENTS which negate those advanced by other philosophies.

Consider for example, your view of ethnocentrism as negative, which is in stark contrast to philosophies which view it as positive. On what basis are you doing this? Isnt it because the philosophy of relativism your comments assume, despite its claims to the contrary, views itself as SUPERIOR to ALL other belief systems?

Given that ALL religions and world views assume superiority, the REAL question is: on what basis? There are two general categories here: Divine origin, human inspiration (divine or otherwise). Judaism is the ONLY religion in the WORLD which lays claim to a direct, Divine, revelation on the national scale. That qualifies this event as historic FACT. By contrast, all other religions rest on the unverifiable claims of one or a few individuals who claim to have been inspired by or witness G-d.

Consequently, Judaism, i.e., the Torah, is the only belief system qualified to make statements about the truth of reality with total certainty. And, therein, G-d Himself states clearly in many places that the Torah and Israel are superior to all belief systems and nations, respectively.

Instead of trying to defend the truth of Torah true Judaism against the illogical assumptions of a man made system (for moral relativism is not logically tenable, as it denies the objective basis for morals it itself assumes, as demonstrated above), why not simply present the facts, and let them speak for themselves as they say?
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Unread 03-19-2006, 06:50 PM   #61
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What are some arguments that shatter this misconception? Or is it true that Judaism is ethnocentric?
Judaisim. Yiddishkeit. Bnei Yisroel.
Find a common shoresh in there?
Jude. Yid. The name shows who we are and what its all about.
Don't mean to be arrogant there, its just a simple fact. Hashem chose US. We're the ones His light shines through.
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Unread 03-20-2006, 12:43 PM   #62
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"ethnocentric" is a loaded word, possessing negative connotations that certainly don't apply to Judaism or to Chabad.
Typically, an ethnocentric perspective justifies and promotes the abuse (or worse) of those outside the clan. Hence, the negative connotations.
Judaism, in contrast, teaches, for example, that one must feed one's animals and one's bondsman before feeding oneself.
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