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Unread 03-17-2005, 07:12 PM   #476
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Good point! Its for sure somewhere in Tanya & if natone knows a real source were waiting.......
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Unread 11-29-2005, 09:47 PM   #477
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Tiferet

I just herad of a new CD named Tiferet - Chasidic Music performed by a Jazz musician. Great stuff.

But He has this song I never heard of - Niggun of R Michel of Chlopetz. Anyone knows it?
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Unread 11-29-2005, 10:13 PM   #478
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R' Michel of "Chlopetz" or of "Zlotchev"?
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Unread 01-04-2006, 10:05 PM   #479
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Check Sefer HaNigunim and see for yourself
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Unread 01-05-2006, 11:41 AM   #480
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Any take on lipa schmeltzer's tapes

i would like to hear your advice/opinion/review on his tapes

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Unread 03-19-2006, 07:03 PM   #481
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On the 'Singer Chanale Fellig at 22 Shvat Convention 5766' forum Aaronke wrote this and I agree 100%:

Why don't we just make 1 thread called non-niggunim "Jewish" music and that would include Mattisyahu, Shlock Rock, Chanale etc. It seems like this is a repeat of Mattisyahu just in the feminine form! And my opinion of both is - good - not for Chabad people!

I'm a bit confuzed by e/ones dif opinions though. But I think only listening to Niggunim is best.
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Unread 03-19-2006, 08:40 PM   #482
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I'll repeat what I said there.

Shlock Rock & Matisyahu are a "goyishe feel" genre, even if the words are good. This is not the case with most other singers.

Chanale composes music. It is aidel music, although it is not niggunim. Avraham Fried and MBD, for example, are not comparable to Matisyahu.

It is a madrega to only listen to niggunim, but if not, the next highest rung is to only listen to music composed and sung by ehrliche yidden, with an aidel feel. This category includes Chanale, some Avraham Fried music, etc.
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Unread 03-19-2006, 09:08 PM   #483
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while matisyahu, i have to say, sounds like shvartza music.....
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Unread 03-19-2006, 09:18 PM   #484
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The music is Shvartzeh style.
Besides for "Dem Moshiach Man", I've never heard any Reaggae Jewish Music.
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Unread 03-19-2006, 09:26 PM   #485
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welll, theres a reason for that
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Unread 03-19-2006, 09:28 PM   #486
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Actually, like Aaronke said, I think Mattisyahu is good 4 ppl who need mekariving, while i never heard it (aside from freinds singing it) i read the words and their good and have a deep chassidishe meaning 2it. Also my not-yet-frum campers said they all saw him on the newz and 2 of 'em listen 2 him now.... so he's doin' a good job. but maybe he's just not meant for us.
I used 2 listen 2 Avraham Freid and Chanale and i think its true, it duz go under a dif catagory, but i still think its not in the same 1 as niggunim.
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Unread 03-19-2006, 09:40 PM   #487
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I think we all agree (sorry for generalizing, correct me if I'm wrong) that Matisyahu's not good and not meant for us.
And I think the main difference between him and other Jewish singers, (aside from the style) in regards to normal Lubavitchers is that all other singers are produced by Sameach, Aderet, etc. Matisyahu is the only one that's produced by Goyim, and his website is designed in a way that can easily lead anyone straight into the heart of the non Jewish music world.
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Unread 03-19-2006, 09:47 PM   #488
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Matisyahu is the only one that's produced by Goyim, and his website is designed in a way that can easily lead anyone straight into the heart of the non Jewish music world.
cuz he's meant 4 ppl who r there already.
i think he's a good guy 4 those whom need it ands doin a good job.
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Unread 03-19-2006, 09:56 PM   #489
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Agreed.
But I don't know if he should go under the name Lubavitch.
Whatever the case is from what I've heard he only does what his Mashpia says he can/should, more than alot of us can say about ourselves.
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Unread 03-19-2006, 10:42 PM   #490
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Chassidus is Lubavitch.
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Unread 03-20-2006, 05:44 AM   #491
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1. Matis composes his own music . . . therefor excluding it from the same category as shlock rock.
2. What is the Shvartze aspect of his music? In truth MBD and Avrum Freid also borrow from Goyishe music styles.
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Unread 03-20-2006, 06:57 AM   #492
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hey dont generalize...
I do not agree
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Unread 03-21-2006, 12:49 AM   #493
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that's really cool i just heard that somewhere today.

It is crazy to only listen to niggunim, its a craziness for a good reason. "SHTUS D'KEDUSHA", in modern language...............
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Unread 03-21-2006, 12:51 AM   #494
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By the way, for those of you only listening to Niggunim, you should be aware that there is a higher level as well, only listening to Niggunei Hisvaadus.
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Unread 03-21-2006, 01:06 AM   #495
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deepthinkers?!?!?!?! long time no see!!!!!! im gonna get u tomorrow

but back to topic.....i though niggun hisvaadus was just one niggun, is it more than one?
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Unread 03-21-2006, 02:26 AM   #496
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"Niggunei Hisvaadus" is tapes of the Rebbe singing by Farbrengens. (There are also many nigunei hisvaadus, BTW. It's a category like a Nigun Simcha.)
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Unread 03-21-2006, 11:50 PM   #497
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Is it the music, the singer or the composer??????
So 'Al Haselah' is rock so it goes under a different catagory then 'Der Pilpul Niggun'????????
I always thought it was the Etzem that matters...
And who are we to judge that???
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Unread 03-22-2006, 12:12 AM   #498
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Music is the pen of the soul. The composer, therefore, is the major "author." The singer is also putting his or her soul in the music.

We can't judge the etzem, but we can know that if it's a Chassidishe composer and a Chassidishe singer, it's better than the other options. The best option would obviously be to only listen to music composed by (or elevated by) and sung by a Rebbe. That's a madreiga we are not all up to.
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Unread 03-22-2006, 01:52 AM   #499
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Is it the music, the singer or the composer??????
So 'Al Haselah' is rock so it goes under a different catagory then 'Der Pilpul Niggun'????????
I always thought it was the Etzem that matters...
And who are we to judge that???
I thought 'Al Hasela' was a niggun...???
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Unread 03-22-2006, 12:28 PM   #500
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3 types of songs:
1) Niggunim Mechuvanim
2) Niggunim Memulaim
3) Niggunim Shotim

IY"H when I have time I'll expound.
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