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Unread 12-06-2002, 03:48 AM   #401
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<every second word has a double meaning and every other word explains the double maning>

I like that definition, unowho
Gotta remember that one
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re the first tune on "Lubavitch Melodies" (arranged by Moshe Antelis) called "nigun rikud" - I grew up singing that song with the words, "ur'ei vanim l'vanecha, shalom al Yisrael"!
Is it really a Chabad nigun? Anybody know who put the words to it?
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Unread 12-10-2002, 05:54 PM   #403
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[Mod's note: This thread is continued from Jewish Music (1) - http://www.chabadtalk.com/forum/show...p?threadid=228]

It's originally a Polisher Niggun to those words, and somehow it got tossed into Sefer Haniggunim. I think thr words were in the original, but dunno for sure.

Ukranian drining songs come from a time when Jews weren't allowed to sing Jewish songs, so wer used songs with a double meaning...
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Unread 12-10-2002, 07:17 PM   #405
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i heard that it was a Lubavitcher niggun whichthe Rebbe Rashab used to sing, but once the Zionists took it and added words, he said they could keep it. R'Mendel Morosow sings it still occasionally, after a few L'Chaims
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I heard that R' Yisroel Friedman sings it too...
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Unread 12-13-2002, 01:48 PM   #407
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I like it - it's a good song. Stam, I knew it from Piamenta's "Dance With Piamentas" tape from way back when...
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what song are we taliknig about noe?
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maybe it was supposed to be hebrew letters?
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I was wondering if that was what the topic/song was. In ref. to post 5.
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BTW, shlucha had asked why there are so many drinking songs - well, at one point, yidden weren';t allowed to sinmg songs of Jewish content. Chassidim developed these types of songs into our groups, with explanations.

For example:

Vos Zol men zorgen is translated (loosely) as:
Why should we worry what will be tomorrow
If from the bartender we'll borrow
It may be
Wine or whisky
We will gulp it down with glee

The bartender is the Rebbe, wine is yaynoi shel Torah and whisky represents other pirushim.

Stav Ya Pitu means "I drank my money away on Friday/Saturday... vechu'" The ideas expressed are:
A. Cheshbon Hanefesh
B. Then, there was mesiras nefesh not to work on Shabbos - therefore, the singer has no money because of Shabbos.

There are many subliminal messages in these songs.
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Nye Zhuritse Khloptzye is also one of those "code" songs:

"Don't worry comrades
What will be
Soon we will reach the tavern
There will be Vodka there!"

This song was sung when traveling to the Rebbe:

"Don't worry my fellow Chassidim
What will be with us
Soon we will reach the Rebbe
There will be Chassidus there!"
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We used to walk down the streets in Russia singing the songs out loud, just for kicks... Our students wanted to KICK us for doing it, but I loved the reactions...

(Did I write that somewhere else, Jude?)
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Actually- you did
I'll let Jude give the Mareh Makom.
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Unread 02-12-2003, 10:30 PM   #417
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I thought so. So sorry - my age must be showing already!

Anyway, I have a student here who does DJ work in his spare time - I got him to agree to play Jewish music at Jewish kids' parties...!
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Unread 02-13-2003, 09:04 AM   #418
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That's great! Cool Jewish music! Can I hire him?
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Unread 02-18-2003, 10:43 AM   #419
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israeli music

if we dont listen to non jewish music because we dont want to connect to the none jewish soul of a person, what if its a "not frum" jewish person who compoused a 'clean' song. this persons soul can be wayyy higher then mine, as we always learn, and if that is so then id want to connect to them. So why is it that ppl say we shouldnt listen to "non religious" compusers.
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<<<if we dont listen to non jewish music because we dont want to connect to the none jewish soul of a person>>>>

i always thought it was the non pure thoughts of the composer.
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well either way if a song is pure most likely the thoughts behind it are pure
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Well, that answers your q: If the thoughts were pure, then it has the ability to be uplifted,. If not, not. More times than not you can feel whether it's pure or not.
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does anyone know of any good niggunim tapes that do not have music, and are good for sefira? I know there are some with some men singing niggunim and a little explanation about them (don't know what its called) but they don't even sound nice.
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That do not have music
Can't think of any remotely good ones except for Nigunei Hisvaadus. I personally have some tapes of a Niggun Seder from some Yeshiva (I think Morristown) that I listen to, but I wouldn't call it "good" music.
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We enjoy a tape called "Chasidishe Otzros" which has nigunim of Bobov, Vizhnitz, Ger, etc. sung by an adult choir with beautiful harmonies.
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