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Unread 11-20-2002, 04:40 PM   #1
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Women lighting Chanukah Menorah

If there are men around to be yotzeh from, can women still light the menorah?
If yes, does she have to light it the entire chanukah? Meaning, can she light it some nights and not others?
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Unread 11-21-2002, 01:20 AM   #2
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What's the question? Does she live alone and these men are just dropping by? Or does she live there? Where do these men live? Do they have their own home? If not, do they eat there every day? etc. Some clarification is needed.
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Unread 11-21-2002, 09:54 PM   #3
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why would she be exempt from lighting it for the entire chanukah?
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Unread 11-21-2002, 10:10 PM   #4
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not exempt, but rather yotze with father, husband etc
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Unread 11-29-2010, 01:53 AM   #5
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So, what is the answer to the question? Is the wife yotze to her husbands lighting? Whats the minhog in Chabad?
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Unread 11-29-2010, 06:17 AM   #6
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I know that in Sefardic circles, they are always yotze by the Baal HaBayis. In Ashkenazic circles, all the members of the family can lit their own Menorah.

The Minhag in Chabad (and in most Jewish circles) is that women are obligated to light the Chanukah candles, just like men are. However, in practice, most women do not light. Rather they fulfill their obligation through the menorah lit by their husbands or other family members.
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Unread 11-29-2010, 08:42 AM   #7
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However, in practice, most women do not light.
Why not?
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Unread 11-29-2010, 08:56 AM   #8
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Why not?
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most women do not light. Rather they fulfill their obligation through the menorah lit by their husbands or other family members.
Nobody said it was a "no no." All Jews (men, women and children who have reached the age of Chinuch) are obligated in the Mitzvah of lighting Chanukah candles. Some even say that women are specifically obligated in the Mitzvos of Chanukah, due to their being saved from the harsh decrees levied against them, via the heroic act of Yehudis, a woman. "Most women do not light" does not mean that they cannot light, it's just that they choose to be yotze through their husband's lighting. I know some women in our community who light their own Menorah and who let their children also light their own Menorahs. And I also know some others who don't light and prefer to be yotze through their husband.
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Unread 11-29-2010, 09:02 AM   #9
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See in Smag Hilchos Chanukah, Taz 675:3 and in Magen Avrohom where it is said that a women may light and make the brachos over her own menorah if no man is there to make her yotze. A woman can also make other people yotze with her lighting, when no man is available to do this.
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OK, thanks.
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Unread 11-29-2010, 01:58 PM   #11
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OK, thanks.
You're welcome.
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Unread 11-30-2010, 09:06 AM   #12
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See in Smag Hilchos Chanukah, Taz 675:3 and in Magen Avrohom where it is said that a women may light and make the brachos over her own menorah if no man is there to make her yotze. A woman can also make other people yotze with her lighting, when no man is available to do this.
only when no man is available to do this? check mishnah berura.

And as regards the custome of lighting, the notes in sefer haminhagim (ad locum) mention that the custome is not to, but he concludes that "ishto kegufo" isn't a good enough reason to say that its better that they not light.
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Unread 11-30-2010, 09:18 AM   #13
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only when no man is available to do this? check mishnah berura.
Nevertheless, the prevalent Minhag is that most women don't do it when men are available to make everybody yotzeh.

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And as regards the custome of lighting, the notes in sefer haminhagim (ad locum) mention that the custome is not to, but he concludes that "ishto kegufo" isn't a good enough reason to say that its better that they not light.
The notes in SHM are:

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The question has been asked as to why only men and not women light separately; the answer has been proposed that one's wife is virtually identical with oneself (ishto kegufo damya [Menachos 93b]), and it would not be proper for a daughter to light a menorah when her mother does not. I find this reasoning highly improbable. More plausible is the observation in Mishmeres Shalom 48:2, that since many women are unable to recite the blessings, it became the custom that women in general fulfill this obligation through others. (Cf. the Acharonim at the end of sec. 675 and sec. 677 of the Shulchan Aruch.) Machatzis HaShekel 677:8 cites the view of Shiltei HaGibborim: "The custom of mehadrin (i.e., the best way to fulfill the mitzvah) is that each individual, man and woman, lights his own lamp...." See also sec. 7 of the above-mentioned sichah, p. 20.
This is exactly what has been said since the beginning: the prevalent minhag is that women don't light but are yotzeh through someone else (husband, father, etc.), but there is no problem nor any prohibition if she wants to light her own Menorah with the Brachos.
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