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Unread 10-26-2011, 11:44 PM   #8
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Originally Posted by Torah613 View Post
M'svoro - why would the minhog by the Chazan be different then any other SE? The reason (in 95:2) would be the same.
[For fun - see Rambam Tfillo 9:3 and Kesef Mishna. AR 105:1].
These Mekoiros are precisely some of the sources of my lack of clarity on the matter (there are also some Poiskim who argue on whether or not to do other things in Chazoras Hashatz just like in Shmoneh Esrei).

Regarding the Kesef Mishna, maybe this is why he doesn't bring the din of 3 steps before any Shmoneh Esrei in his Shulchan Aruch, as he holds like the Rambam the way he understands him (the Rama brings it).
If so, we must say that Chazoras Hashatz is indeed like regular SE in this regard Lishitasoi.
Or maybe he doesn't hold of the din for a different reason (the same reason why the Rambam doesn't bring it anywhere) and perhaps even Chazoras Hashatz and regular SE would have been dissimilar regarding this case according to him.

We find a possible indication of not necessarily applying the din to both equally in the Alter Rebbe's SA 105:1, where the Alter Rebbe seems to say that sometimes you don't have to go forward 3 steps before SE.
But why may one do SE #2 where he stepped back into from his first SE when it clearly states otherwise in 95:2?

Possibly he is talking about someone who doesn't want to listen to the encouragement but not flat out Halacha in 95:2 (and with 123:4).

Perhaps the term "דבר שצריך לעשות" has to do with it (I'm not sure what it refers to and possibly intends to exclude).

Where Tashlumin (it's still an obligation and mitzvah (108:1, 11) though, just not bizmana, so I don't know how it would be more similar to any other Tfila where you don't have to do 3 steps before,) and Musaf (108:10?) and (maybe even also) Chazoras Hashatz (he doesn't have to do it,) are somehow different in nature and therefore in reasoning.

I'm not clear with the meaning of 95:2 in general.

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