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Yankel Nosson 01-05-2012 06:12 AM

Davening towards Yerushalayim
 
Is there a concensus among Chabad poskim about the proper way to face Yerushalayim when davening? The following information, from myzmanim.com, shows that depending on the ùéèä there can be an almost [B]45° difference[/B](!) in the proper direction for davening (from NY, anyway).

[CODE][B]Davening Direction In New York [/B]

[I]Following a Rhumb Line-Maintains a constant compass direction[/I]
[SIZE="1"]HaRav Yisroel Belsky and others[/SIZE]
Bearing 96° ≈ East

[I]Following a Great Circle-A straight path of shortest distance[/I]
[SIZE="1"]HaRav Yechiel A. Zilber and others [/SIZE]
Bearing 54° ≈ North-East[/CODE]

[quote][B]OVERVIEW[/B]
People around the world turn to face the site of the Beis Hamikdash when davening. It can be stated that one is facing the Beis Hamikdash if his orientation is such that were he to travel in the direction that he is facing, along a straight path, he would arrive at the Beis Hamikdash.

What is a “straight path”? Perhaps we would say that if one is traveling on a straight path, that means that 1) his compass points in the same direction throughout the entire journey, and 2) he is bearing neither right nor left; he’s traveling straight. Interestingly though, because the surface of the earth is curved, practically any conceivable path, can meet no more than one of the above two criteria (there are exceptions). Otherwise stated, if the traveler is following a straight path (bearing neither right nor left), it is likely that his compass direction is gradually changing, and if his route maintains constant compass direction, then it is likely that he is slightly bearing one way or the other. Accordingly, before one can determine which direction faces the Beis Hamikdash, he must first decide how he will define “straight-ness.”

The term rhumb line is used to describe a route that is straight in the sense that it maintains constant compass direction. The term great circle path is used to describe a route that is straight in the sense that it is neither bearing right nor left. Whether the Torah definition of “straight” follows the rhumb line model or the great circle model, is a subject of disagreement among Rabbonim.

[url]http://www.myzmanim.com/messagebox.aspx?messageid=direction[/url][/quote]

Torah613 01-05-2012 08:34 AM

Go to 770, see which way they faced there, and act accordingly. That will be your concensus.

Yankel Nosson 01-05-2012 12:14 PM

[QUOTE=Torah613;171043]Go to 770, see which way they faced there, and act accordingly. That will be your concensus.[/QUOTE]
Mizrach in 770 is due East.

(A good chassidishe answer, but not what I would expect from Torah613 (for better or worse) :smile:)

tefillin 01-05-2012 02:13 PM

[quote=Torah613;171043]Go to 770, see which way they faced there, and act accordingly. That will be your concensus.[/quote]

"...faced..." - why the past tense? Is this a remez to pre-gimmel tammuz?

Torah613 01-05-2012 06:14 PM

Yes. What they do now would not be proof of anything. The direction the Rebbe faced pre GT - is. Happy?


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